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So if some members of a group were involved in these activities do you blame the whole group? Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?

srean 6y ago
If the government took action against these guys as opposed to covert support and encouragement you would have a point. How many public lynchers have been convicted ? (Its a rhetorical question) Why has the Modi government passed orders not to record lynching related deaths ? (again a rhetorical question) https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data-on-lynchings-khap-and-religious-killings-6081188/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data... May be you should take your lecture to the government friendly media about branding the entire movement as Khalistani, Pakistani terrorists.
- hesarenu 6y ago
  OP mentioned RSS as terrorists because their members did violent acts. Now i know a religion whose members are usually involved in terrorists acts. We don't label them as terrorists as it should be. So tell me. Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?
  - srean 6y ago
    > We don't label them as terrorists That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not. If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence occurred. This what they did when cell towers were vandalized. The RSS on the other hand has stayed mum which in normal course of action will be and is taken as tacit support. Of course I don't read all of RSS's press releases. If you have pointers to RSS official press releases where they have condemned specific attacks I would be very interested to read.
    - hesarenu 6y ago
      OP labeled RSS as terrorists for its members atrocities. Seems you are agreeing with him. So tell me. Are you consistent with your labeling? Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people?
      - srean 6y ago
        > Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people You are just trying to avoid answering the question by adding extraneous and irrelevant diversions. Sorry wont bite your bait. BTW I was not aware that RSS is a religion. This much I am willing to claim -- RSS is a silent approver of right wing acts of violence starting all the way from Gandhi's assassination to more contemporaneous cow slaughter related lynchings. Unlike the farmer protests that have distanced itself from acts of violence and vandalism I am unaware that RSS has done that for the violence that has engulfed India in this govt, but am willing to be convinced otherwise. The spokesmen of the government have frequently branded the entire protest and Khalistani and Pakistani. I am very tickled that you seem to be outraged not by the act of the government which has real implications but on the comment someone made on the internet. That might be quite indicative of where your sympathies lie.
        hesarenu 6y ago
        I did not event bait you. I was replying to OP and you inserted yourself. You got yourself tangled because you could not honestly answer the question. Since you became aware you are not consistent. See OP mentioned RSS as Religious terrorists because of its members. So to the logical conclusion Hindus are terrorists because of its has organizations like RSS/Guj riots involved in it. So you just called a million Hindus terrorists. Anyway whatever makes you happy.
        srean 6y ago
        > So you just called a million Hindus terrorists. Yeah keep spreading lies if it helps. It really shows you and those that you support in revealing light. This is very good because these chats and their logic is public and for all to see and make their own judgements. Thanks for making my job easier. Pray enlighten me where I have been inconsistent without shoving your words on my mouth, and where I have called a million Hindus a terrorist. You remind me of Sambit Patra the BJP spokesperson who was asked about the number of zeros that are in trillion when he was going on and on about Indias trillion rupees economy. All this Patra could respond with is invective that the person who asked the question should go and ask Rahul Gandhi -- a cheap rhetorical device used to clutch at straws when one does not have substance to offer. I rest my case
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boruto 6y ago
Being labeled a fascist has no meaning these days. If someone does not agree with your opinion you are a fascist :)
- rishav_sharan 6y ago
  Except that RSS is actually modeled after Italian fascism, and this is not a secret or anything. I was actually being literal there. Moonje in 1931 went to Italy to learn from Mussolini about fascist organization and ideology, to use it for shaping RSS. Here is a quote; "“The Balilla institutions and the conception of the whole organisation have appealed to me most, though there is still not discipline and organisation of high order. The whole idea is conceived by Mussolini for the military regeneration of Italy. Italians, by nature, appear ease-loving and non-martial like the Indians generally. They have cultivated, like Indians, the work of peace and neglected the cultivation of the art of war. Mussolini saw the essential weakness of his country and conceived the idea of the Balilla organisation.... Nothing better could have been conceived for the military organisation of Italy.... The idea of fascism vividly brings out the conception of unity amongst people.... India and particularly Hindu India need some such institution for the military regeneration of the Hindus: so that the artificial distinction so much emphasised by the British of martial and non-martial classes amongst the Hindus may disappear. Our institution of Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh of Nagpur under Dr Hedgewar is of this kind, though quite independently conceived. I will spend the rest of my life in developing and extending this Institution of Dr Hedgewar all throughout the Maharashtra and other provinces.” https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/moonje-amp-mussolini/article6756630.ece https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/moonje-amp-mussol...

srean 6y ago

If the government took action against these guys as opposed to covert support and encouragement you would have a point. How many public lynchers have been convicted ? (Its a rhetorical question) Why has the Modi government passed orders not to record lynching related deaths ? (again a rhetorical question) https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data-on-lynchings-khap-and-religious-killings-6081188/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/ncrb-leaves-out-data... May be you should take your lecture to the government friendly media about branding the entire movement as Khalistani, Pakistani terrorists.

hesarenu 6y ago
OP mentioned RSS as terrorists because their members did violent acts. Now i know a religion whose members are usually involved in terrorists acts. We don't label them as terrorists as it should be. So tell me. Are you consistent with you beliefs on labeling groups?
- srean 6y ago
  > We don't label them as terrorists That's pretty much all the government cosy media does -- handing out certificates about who is patriotic and who is not. If members does an act in the name of an org and that is against the values of the organization. Its for the organization to clarify that their values do not match with the cations taken by these group. This is what the farmer protester groups did when violence occurred. This what they did when cell towers were vandalized. The RSS on the other hand has stayed mum which in normal course of action will be and is taken as tacit support. Of course I don't read all of RSS's press releases. If you have pointers to RSS official press releases where they have condemned specific attacks I would be very interested to read.
  - hesarenu 6y ago
    OP labeled RSS as terrorists for its members atrocities. Seems you are agreeing with him. So tell me. Are you consistent with your labeling? Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people?
    - srean 6y ago
      > Are you labeling a religion as terrorist because of some of its people You are just trying to avoid answering the question by adding extraneous and irrelevant diversions. Sorry wont bite your bait. BTW I was not aware that RSS is a religion. This much I am willing to claim -- RSS is a silent approver of right wing acts of violence starting all the way from Gandhi's assassination to more contemporaneous cow slaughter related lynchings. Unlike the farmer protests that have distanced itself from acts of violence and vandalism I am unaware that RSS has done that for the violence that has engulfed India in this govt, but am willing to be convinced otherwise. The spokesmen of the government have frequently branded the entire protest and Khalistani and Pakistani. I am very tickled that you seem to be outraged not by the act of the government which has real implications but on the comment someone made on the internet. That might be quite indicative of where your sympathies lie.
      - hesarenu 6y ago
        I did not event bait you. I was replying to OP and you inserted yourself. You got yourself tangled because you could not honestly answer the question. Since you became aware you are not consistent. See OP mentioned RSS as Religious terrorists because of its members. So to the logical conclusion Hindus are terrorists because of its has organizations like RSS/Guj riots involved in it. So you just called a million Hindus terrorists. Anyway whatever makes you happy.
        srean 6y ago
        > So you just called a million Hindus terrorists. Yeah keep spreading lies if it helps. It really shows you and those that you support in revealing light. This is very good because these chats and their logic is public and for all to see and make their own judgements. Thanks for making my job easier. Pray enlighten me where I have been inconsistent without shoving your words on my mouth, and where I have called a million Hindus a terrorist. You remind me of Sambit Patra the BJP spokesperson who was asked about the number of zeros that are in trillion when he was going on and on about Indias trillion rupees economy. All this Patra could respond with is invective that the person who asked the question should go and ask Rahul Gandhi -- a cheap rhetorical device used to clutch at straws when one does not have substance to offer. I rest my case
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boruto 6y ago

Being labeled a fascist has no meaning these days. If someone does not agree with your opinion you are a fascist :)

rishav_sharan 6y ago
Except that RSS is actually modeled after Italian fascism, and this is not a secret or anything. I was actually being literal there. Moonje in 1931 went to Italy to learn from Mussolini about fascist organization and ideology, to use it for shaping RSS. Here is a quote; "“The Balilla institutions and the conception of the whole organisation have appealed to me most, though there is still not discipline and organisation of high order. The whole idea is conceived by Mussolini for the military regeneration of Italy. Italians, by nature, appear ease-loving and non-martial like the Indians generally. They have cultivated, like Indians, the work of peace and neglected the cultivation of the art of war. Mussolini saw the essential weakness of his country and conceived the idea of the Balilla organisation.... Nothing better could have been conceived for the military organisation of Italy.... The idea of fascism vividly brings out the conception of unity amongst people.... India and particularly Hindu India need some such institution for the military regeneration of the Hindus: so that the artificial distinction so much emphasised by the British of martial and non-martial classes amongst the Hindus may disappear. Our institution of Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh of Nagpur under Dr Hedgewar is of this kind, though quite independently conceived. I will spend the rest of my life in developing and extending this Institution of Dr Hedgewar all throughout the Maharashtra and other provinces.” https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/moonje-amp-mussolini/article6756630.ece https://frontline.thehindu.com/cover-story/moonje-amp-mussol...