there are 2 (maybe more?) ways in which matrix/riot (theoretically) could "compete[1]" against Signal, but are an utter failure on both accounts: 1) UE / ease

there are 2 (maybe more?) ways in which matrix/riot (theoretically) could "compete[1]" against Signal, but are an utter failure on both accounts: 1) UE / ease of use for non-tech savvy users 2) a "killer feature" that gets people talking While 1) is a no-brainer, 2) is a more difficult. What does matrix offer to users other than "decentralization" (which is great for people on HN who like tinkering, but a usability drawback due to bootstrap time of joining a p2p network, and p2p in itself not offering a __security__ advantage[please ask to see the threat model when there are blanket claims that p2p is more secure]). Signals claim to fame comes from actual subpoenae that returned no usable metadata. Matrix (so far) has never been tested in adversarial conditions[citation needed]. While matrix's e2ee is an often talked about feature, it is not part of most matrix-implementations. Only riot claims it does e2ee however the claims on voice security are vague. Not clear if p2p or multiparty voice are E2E encrypted. Also you can optionally encrypt text chat rooms (which means it's not the default and so it's either not used by non-tech savvy users and those who rely on it risk getting exposed due to the extra steps it takes). I'm excited for decentralized technologies[3] but Riot is not in a state (yet) where I'd recommend it to exposed groups or individuals. So if neither e2ee is properly implemented, nor does it offer some radical new feature, nor is it actually more user-friendly - then why should anyone bother with it? [1] compete = moderate attempt in getting a name for itself considering that Signal is stealing all the attention in comparison to all other "secure" messengers [2] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3120046-Open-Whisper-Documents-0.html#document/p4/a320485 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3120046-Open-Whisper... [3] cwtch: more bleeding edge than matrix, potentially buggy and certainly not ready for prime-time but they understand that: "your threat-model isn't my threat-model" https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/risk.html https://docs.openprivacy.ca/cwtch-security-handbook/risk.htm...