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Have a look at Vietnam then, they have handled this really well. Or for ans even better comparison to the US, China. There’s a lot to criticise about the CCP

Have a look at Vietnam then, they have handled this really well. Or for ans even better comparison to the US, China. There’s a lot to criticise about the CCP including their initial response and transparency, but it seems pretty clear they are now on top of it using similar tactics.

icelancer 6y ago
Vietnam banned international inbound travel without a 14-day quarantine and extinguished local transmission via test and trace. These are both very good ideas and both impractical for the United States. The former is a logistical nightmare in a collection of states that basically is not possible to carry out due to our incompetent government and the scale of international travel in the US being several orders of magnitude higher than Vietnam's per capita (and gross rates of course) and the latter won't work (and hasn't worked when we tried it) because our population is inherently distrustful of our government(s) and generally have the right to be that way. Again, not all tools smaller countries have are available to larger ones, and vice versa (America/EU/etc have better access to vaccines as a plus, for example).
- caillougris 6y ago
  Vietnam also put vietnamese in "prison" like quarantine for every suspicion.. that can't be done in the US/EU. It won't be accepted, and there is already too many cases.
- mkl 6y ago
  The distrust of government is a major obstacle. In NZ we have a government that took a science-based and very transparent approach, and is pretty well trusted (it helped that opposition parties mostly agreed with the measures). The government basically said "Here is the situation. Here is what we need to do to fix it. Because of that, here's the rules. And here's how we'll help." And most of the population just went "Well, okay then.", and complied, with some grumbles.
  - gridspy 6y ago
    I believe the uniform nationwide response, free tests and healthcare and the rapid 80% wage subsidy were a huge part of this. Apart from sectors like tourism, there wasn't anyone who truly felt "screwed over" by arbitrary rules.

icelancer 6y ago

Vietnam banned international inbound travel without a 14-day quarantine and extinguished local transmission via test and trace. These are both very good ideas and both impractical for the United States. The former is a logistical nightmare in a collection of states that basically is not possible to carry out due to our incompetent government and the scale of international travel in the US being several orders of magnitude higher than Vietnam's per capita (and gross rates of course) and the latter won't work (and hasn't worked when we tried it) because our population is inherently distrustful of our government(s) and generally have the right to be that way. Again, not all tools smaller countries have are available to larger ones, and vice versa (America/EU/etc have better access to vaccines as a plus, for example).

caillougris 6y ago
Vietnam also put vietnamese in "prison" like quarantine for every suspicion.. that can't be done in the US/EU. It won't be accepted, and there is already too many cases.
mkl 6y ago
The distrust of government is a major obstacle. In NZ we have a government that took a science-based and very transparent approach, and is pretty well trusted (it helped that opposition parties mostly agreed with the measures). The government basically said "Here is the situation. Here is what we need to do to fix it. Because of that, here's the rules. And here's how we'll help." And most of the population just went "Well, okay then.", and complied, with some grumbles.
- gridspy 6y ago
  I believe the uniform nationwide response, free tests and healthcare and the rapid 80% wage subsidy were a huge part of this. Apart from sectors like tourism, there wasn't anyone who truly felt "screwed over" by arbitrary rules.