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I concur it was hand-wavy. I'd hope there was some acceptable measure you could get through the courts here in the name of health. Such a barrier is only reall

I concur it was hand-wavy. I'd hope there was some acceptable measure you could get through the courts here in the name of health. Such a barrier is only really essential when different states have different rules. If you could get all states to agree on a lock-down it would go a long way. You might be able to set up quarantine barriers as you exit the interstate? I don't know. Personally, I think it is terms like "libertarian paradise" which lead to down-votes. Talk about the issues, not some made up catch all names like "libertarian"

icelancer 6y ago
>> I'd hope there was some acceptable measure you could get through the courts here in the name of health. Interstate commerce clause is going to be nearly impossible to subvert in courts, much less state autonomy, and non-cooperating governors (primarily Republican, I'm sure, but Gov. Polis likely wouldn't go for it either). >> Talk about the issues, not some made up catch all names like "libertarian" My comment was downvoted -3 before I even mentioned the word "libertarian." COVID has a way of bringing out the authoritarians in HN. I am not either. I see the value in authoritarian measures, I really do. I also realize they won't work in the US because of both compliance and lack of legal purchase.
- ryandrake 6y ago
  We Americans are experts on what can't be done. Things that are routinely done in many places around the world, like universal healthcare, free education, and schools without shootings, are routinely declared "impossible" in America. Whenever you suggest even the slightest societal behavioral change to fight some public problem, you have hundreds of thousands of people simply dismissing it because "Americans won't do it, or the law won't allow it, or Wall Street doesn't like it, therefore it's completely impossible." This is from a country that fought the British Empire, helped turn the tide in WW2, put a man on the moon, and made many scientific and technical achievements in the 20th century. But somehow, now, we can't seem to accomplish anything.
  - Uw7yTcf36gTc 6y ago
    That America died in the 80s unfortunately.
  - icelancer 6y ago
    When it comes to scientific and technical achievements, the United States is still leading the remainder of the world and has for an entire century. When it comes to societal change, we're (still) pretty bad. It's almost like they might be related phenomenons.
pbourke 6y ago
I don’t think that the ability to enforce the restrictions was the most important success criteria. Australia, NZ and the other countries that have succeeded have a pro-social culture of collective effort. The US, and increasingly Canada as well, do not - they have an “everyone for themselves” culture. In the end if people are not going to follow the rules it won’t matter what you try to do - you will fail. In the US and Canada people only halfheartedly follow the rules when the situation is grim, the ERs are filled and freezer trucks parked in the hospital parking lot.

icelancer 6y ago

>> I'd hope there was some acceptable measure you could get through the courts here in the name of health. Interstate commerce clause is going to be nearly impossible to subvert in courts, much less state autonomy, and non-cooperating governors (primarily Republican, I'm sure, but Gov. Polis likely wouldn't go for it either). >> Talk about the issues, not some made up catch all names like "libertarian" My comment was downvoted -3 before I even mentioned the word "libertarian." COVID has a way of bringing out the authoritarians in HN. I am not either. I see the value in authoritarian measures, I really do. I also realize they won't work in the US because of both compliance and lack of legal purchase.

ryandrake 6y ago
We Americans are experts on what can't be done. Things that are routinely done in many places around the world, like universal healthcare, free education, and schools without shootings, are routinely declared "impossible" in America. Whenever you suggest even the slightest societal behavioral change to fight some public problem, you have hundreds of thousands of people simply dismissing it because "Americans won't do it, or the law won't allow it, or Wall Street doesn't like it, therefore it's completely impossible." This is from a country that fought the British Empire, helped turn the tide in WW2, put a man on the moon, and made many scientific and technical achievements in the 20th century. But somehow, now, we can't seem to accomplish anything.
- Uw7yTcf36gTc 6y ago
  That America died in the 80s unfortunately.
- icelancer 6y ago
  When it comes to scientific and technical achievements, the United States is still leading the remainder of the world and has for an entire century. When it comes to societal change, we're (still) pretty bad. It's almost like they might be related phenomenons.

pbourke 6y ago

I don’t think that the ability to enforce the restrictions was the most important success criteria. Australia, NZ and the other countries that have succeeded have a pro-social culture of collective effort. The US, and increasingly Canada as well, do not - they have an “everyone for themselves” culture. In the end if people are not going to follow the rules it won’t matter what you try to do - you will fail. In the US and Canada people only halfheartedly follow the rules when the situation is grim, the ERs are filled and freezer trucks parked in the hospital parking lot.