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Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now

Not BJP fanatic, but as I see these laws. These are pro-farmer and anti-madis laws. There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. I wrote posts on it : https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and-resolutions-bc1aa353dfa https://iamamitmurari.medium.com/farm-laws-farmer-issues-and...

fakedang 6y ago
There's way too much nuance here than what your post suggests. Your post is a theoretical evaluation of the new laws, without looking at the on-the-ground happenings or the fallout effects from the new laws. Granted, the old mandi system is extremely broken, but the new laws aren't any much better. On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies. These farmers already know it (and aren't "uneducated" as the Indian farmer trope goes) and they saw through the government ploy pretty much.
- lord_washington 6y ago
  > On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies That's oft-repeated claim that lacks serious backing. If that were true all farmer associations must have opposed the laws which is not happening[1]. 1. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari-sanghatana-the-group-backing-govt-on-the-farm-laws-7107905/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari...
mandeepj 6y ago
> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. You have no clue. Farmers were free before also to sell anywhere. Reliance is going to monopolize in agriculture also similar to what they have done with Telecom via Jio.
- flik 6y ago
  Agree. I have a BSNL net connection (with reliability going down from good to worse). Being public sectore, Central govt is accountable for BSNL quality. The way BSNL value is/was destroyed to promote Reliance... is now repeating elsewhere.
  - njanirudh 6y ago
    Why should the govt protect all the failing companies which give bad service while charging more? Most govt employees in these companies (used to)take their jobs for granted and the market showed them this. Its reasons like this Dassault was not willing to give quality assurance if rafael was assembled by HAL [1]. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/rafale-jets-hal-hindustan-aeronautics-limited-iaf-dassault-aviation-158290-2013-04-05 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/rafale-jets-hal-...
- amriksohata 6y ago
  This is a highly uneducated comment, Reliance is like Vodafone or O2, EE or 3G, they own mobile networks, can you imagine Vodafone going into farming LOL.
  - mandeepj 6y ago
    I believe you are uneducated. Not sure if you know or pretending to be ignorant - Reliance is a conglomerate. They are into a ton of businesses including Oil Refineries, Retail etc. What does Vodafone have to do with them?
    - amriksohata 6y ago
      You should read what the actual owners say https://www.businessinsider.in/business/corporates/news/reliance-says-it-has-absolutely-no-plan-to-enter-contract-farming-urges-government-to-stop-vandalism-amidst-ongoing-farmers-protests/articleshow/80091733.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/business/corporates/news/reli... His industry has no interest in food and agriculture!
xrisk 6y ago
> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. This is factually incorrect [1]. Only about 30% [2] of produce is sold in mandis. Any anti-mandi law is essentially an anti-farmer law; because mandis act as a safety net for farmers. No farmer can negotiate good deals with big corp, and once the buyer side is monopolized (ala Jio); the farmer is forced into bad contracts. What the government should do is implement mandi reforms. [1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-and-corporate-farming-improve-farmer-income/article32745489.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-... [2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-farm-bills-through-modi-government-has-put-democracy-at-crossroads-73647 https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-f...
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  This is assuming that Mandis work as expected which is not always true. In reality, there is corruption and gaming the system. While these laws to incentivise alternative markets, they do not abolish Mandis. https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-same-part-1/ https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...
  - xrisk 6y ago
    I never claimed that they always work as expected. That is not an excuse to do away with them. As for the shtick that they will not abolish mandis, that is already demonstrably untrue [1]. It is trivial to observe that big corp will utterly destroy them and then coerce farmers into bad contracts when they have no alternative. As for your argument that the "free market" will improve the situation, for the record, it has been done before and has miserably failed. [2] For posterity, I would recommend that you don't cite sources that are essentially blog posts with zero data or theory. I might as well cite the Communist Manifesto then. There is actual serious work on this matter. [1]: https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse-70%25-MP-Mandis-Six-Months https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse... [2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapped-apmc-act-mandi-system-14-years-ago-here-s-what-it-did-to-farmers-74534 https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapp...
baybal2 6y ago
Pakistanis get it worse. Most cash crops are only sellable by licensed dealers to "protect" farmers. Those in their stead conspire to do price rigging, and wash produce down the drain. The recent sugar, wheat tomato, onion shortages were due to them doing exactly that.

fakedang 6y ago

There's way too much nuance here than what your post suggests. Your post is a theoretical evaluation of the new laws, without looking at the on-the-ground happenings or the fallout effects from the new laws. Granted, the old mandi system is extremely broken, but the new laws aren't any much better. On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies. These farmers already know it (and aren't "uneducated" as the Indian farmer trope goes) and they saw through the government ploy pretty much.

lord_washington 6y ago
> On the contrary, they facilitate the gradual takeover of control from the APMCs to government-tied cronies That's oft-repeated claim that lacks serious backing. If that were true all farmer associations must have opposed the laws which is not happening[1]. 1. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari-sanghatana-the-group-backing-govt-on-the-farm-laws-7107905/ https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/who-are-shetkari...

mandeepj 6y ago

> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. You have no clue. Farmers were free before also to sell anywhere. Reliance is going to monopolize in agriculture also similar to what they have done with Telecom via Jio.

flik 6y ago
Agree. I have a BSNL net connection (with reliability going down from good to worse). Being public sectore, Central govt is accountable for BSNL quality. The way BSNL value is/was destroyed to promote Reliance... is now repeating elsewhere.
- njanirudh 6y ago
  Why should the govt protect all the failing companies which give bad service while charging more? Most govt employees in these companies (used to)take their jobs for granted and the market showed them this. Its reasons like this Dassault was not willing to give quality assurance if rafael was assembled by HAL [1]. [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/rafale-jets-hal-hindustan-aeronautics-limited-iaf-dassault-aviation-158290-2013-04-05 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/north/story/rafale-jets-hal-...
amriksohata 6y ago
This is a highly uneducated comment, Reliance is like Vodafone or O2, EE or 3G, they own mobile networks, can you imagine Vodafone going into farming LOL.
- mandeepj 6y ago
  I believe you are uneducated. Not sure if you know or pretending to be ignorant - Reliance is a conglomerate. They are into a ton of businesses including Oil Refineries, Retail etc. What does Vodafone have to do with them?
  - amriksohata 6y ago
    You should read what the actual owners say https://www.businessinsider.in/business/corporates/news/reliance-says-it-has-absolutely-no-plan-to-enter-contract-farming-urges-government-to-stop-vandalism-amidst-ongoing-farmers-protests/articleshow/80091733.cms https://www.businessinsider.in/business/corporates/news/reli... His industry has no interest in food and agriculture!

xrisk 6y ago

> There was monopolies of mandis(farmer are restricted only to sell here) now government allows them to make contract or sell anywhere. This is factually incorrect [1]. Only about 30% [2] of produce is sold in mandis. Any anti-mandi law is essentially an anti-farmer law; because mandis act as a safety net for farmers. No farmer can negotiate good deals with big corp, and once the buyer side is monopolized (ala Jio); the farmer is forced into bad contracts. What the government should do is implement mandi reforms. [1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-and-corporate-farming-improve-farmer-income/article32745489.ece https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/can-free-trade-... [2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-farm-bills-through-modi-government-has-put-democracy-at-crossroads-73647 https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/agriculture/by-pushing-f...

sbmthakur 6y ago
This is assuming that Mandis work as expected which is not always true. In reality, there is corruption and gaming the system. While these laws to incentivise alternative markets, they do not abolish Mandis. https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-same-part-1/ https://finshots.in/archive/agriculture-will-never-be-the-sa...
- xrisk 6y ago
  I never claimed that they always work as expected. That is not an excuse to do away with them. As for the shtick that they will not abolish mandis, that is already demonstrably untrue [1]. It is trivial to observe that big corp will utterly destroy them and then coerce farmers into bad contracts when they have no alternative. As for your argument that the "free market" will improve the situation, for the record, it has been done before and has miserably failed. [2] For posterity, I would recommend that you don't cite sources that are essentially blog posts with zero data or theory. I might as well cite the Communist Manifesto then. There is actual serious work on this matter. [1]: https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse-70%25-MP-Mandis-Six-Months https://www.newsclick.in/Fallout-Farm-Laws-New-Laws-Paralyse... [2]: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapped-apmc-act-mandi-system-14-years-ago-here-s-what-it-did-to-farmers-74534 https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/agriculture/bihar-scrapp...

baybal2 6y ago

Pakistanis get it worse. Most cash crops are only sellable by licensed dealers to "protect" farmers. Those in their stead conspire to do price rigging, and wash produce down the drain. The recent sugar, wheat tomato, onion shortages were due to them doing exactly that.