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Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way. Unfortunately our virtual world are built in a way to addict us with co

Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way. Unfortunately our virtual world are built in a way to addict us with content we create ourselves giving a few monopolists total control of our virtual presence. I'm boarded in a project to think in another approach, in a way the give us more power and freedom to shape our virtual collective consciousness.. Without us figuring out a way to get us all out of this trap, i don't see a very bright future for us, and the current political and social status-quo are a clear sign of what all this is making to us. The power and control is too concentrated in the hands of a few, and its easier than ever to pull all the strings from a couple of places. Eg. If we have a dozens of key people to agree into some plan to permanent power and control, it will be impossible for us to take our freedom back, of course it will not look like any sort of government that we have witnessed before. I know this is a conspiracy theory and i dont like it myself, but its pretty possible and easier to happen with all the technological status-quo and tech monopolies we have nowadays.

acatsdream 6y ago
Let us be stronger.
- oscargrouch 6y ago
  Sure a couple of us can do it, but lets not forget that the average IQ here is far from represent median of the people out there. Our brains betray us, we like to be in a cozy place that we are used to, that feels like home. Current social networks offer this kind of experience.. and its a big trap because even if/when we want to get out, all our content are trapped there, so out of "there" is a total desert..
  - na85 6y ago
    >Sure a couple of us can do it, but lets not forget that the average IQ here is far from represent median of the people out there. Such arrogance. Such elitism.
    - oscargrouch 6y ago
      The average IQ sample here is higher (period). If you don't know this already, i guess you are not here long enough. Its just a question of the fields people that use to come here represents. With that i'm not implying that i'm part of it, as i might be average. But i have spent a lot of time here to know that this community have a high average level, giving the topics and the discussions happening over here over the years.
      - egeozcan 6y ago
        > The average IQ sample here is higher (period). If you asked me, that'd be my guess as well, but saying it such a way that it projects hopelessness for the rest of the humanity is a bit too much :) Narcissism is dangerous as it tends to create and feed extremist communities. For an example, see any political forum full with extremists (these days it's hard to find any without) and observe how often they call themselves intelligent (or woke, or whatever fancy words they use to work around the obviousness of self-flattery).
        oscargrouch 6y ago
        I get what you are saying, but there are a couple of points that make this different.. First, of course is a subjective experience and therefore prone to error, but i came to this conclusion by observing this community over a long period of time. Second, the communities you mention have mostly common ideological guidelines and goals, working like a cult or a religion. Therefore there's this feeling of belonging. HN is far away from that as people here have all sorts of different beliefs, background, etc. It's an heterogeneous community that will hardly agree on anything. There's also no sense of belonging here, to a group, or a brand. etc.. There's no HNer, not a club, or have a card in the sorts of "Mensa" that you would proudly show to tell how smart you are.. as most of us are anonymous here. So i don't think the patterns apply here. I think some people spend too much time on toxic social networks and suddenly start to see 33 all over even when the number is 21, because his neurons are seeing the same pattern too many times with these algorithms that are optimized to turn us all into neurotics.
      - 6y ago
jdkee 6y ago
"Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way." How does this happen in the monoculture of the global internet, where local heterogenous subcultures (music, art, cuisine, traditions, languages) are eradicated?
- oscargrouch 6y ago
  The globalization movement that started in the 90's, have no way back. It was the right direction to take anyway.. The question is how much resilient we are to create and cultivate local stuff over the global noise.. I'm pretty sure that despite the difficulty of the task, we can handle it.. But we must have the proper tools to make it flourish.. but my fear is that while we are figuring out all this, some big players decide to replay the titanic wars devouring their children before they get too powerful.. Its not happening yet, because there are barely no threats, but once they start to show up and become trends, i don't expect them to play nice. And with all the power and control "they" have, it will not be like any old industry vs. newcomers we have witnessed before. (BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come)
  - IndySun 6y ago
    > The globalization movement that started in the 90's< What was this?
  - nobody9999 6y ago
    >(BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come) Let's be precise here. The Element app was suspended from the Play Store (and restored in less than 24 hours) It was most certainly not removed from peoples' phones. We have serious issues with the centralization of network services and we should scream loudly about it and look for ways to diminish the power that comes with that centralization. However, making specious claims like that doesn't help. It just makes those who rail against the concentrated power of these big corporations seem deranged. There are plenty of real issues to rail against without making shit up.

acatsdream 6y ago

Let us be stronger.

oscargrouch 6y ago
Sure a couple of us can do it, but lets not forget that the average IQ here is far from represent median of the people out there. Our brains betray us, we like to be in a cozy place that we are used to, that feels like home. Current social networks offer this kind of experience.. and its a big trap because even if/when we want to get out, all our content are trapped there, so out of "there" is a total desert..
- na85 6y ago
  >Sure a couple of us can do it, but lets not forget that the average IQ here is far from represent median of the people out there. Such arrogance. Such elitism.
  - oscargrouch 6y ago
    The average IQ sample here is higher (period). If you don't know this already, i guess you are not here long enough. Its just a question of the fields people that use to come here represents. With that i'm not implying that i'm part of it, as i might be average. But i have spent a lot of time here to know that this community have a high average level, giving the topics and the discussions happening over here over the years.
    - egeozcan 6y ago
      > The average IQ sample here is higher (period). If you asked me, that'd be my guess as well, but saying it such a way that it projects hopelessness for the rest of the humanity is a bit too much :) Narcissism is dangerous as it tends to create and feed extremist communities. For an example, see any political forum full with extremists (these days it's hard to find any without) and observe how often they call themselves intelligent (or woke, or whatever fancy words they use to work around the obviousness of self-flattery).
      - oscargrouch 6y ago
        I get what you are saying, but there are a couple of points that make this different.. First, of course is a subjective experience and therefore prone to error, but i came to this conclusion by observing this community over a long period of time. Second, the communities you mention have mostly common ideological guidelines and goals, working like a cult or a religion. Therefore there's this feeling of belonging. HN is far away from that as people here have all sorts of different beliefs, background, etc. It's an heterogeneous community that will hardly agree on anything. There's also no sense of belonging here, to a group, or a brand. etc.. There's no HNer, not a club, or have a card in the sorts of "Mensa" that you would proudly show to tell how smart you are.. as most of us are anonymous here. So i don't think the patterns apply here. I think some people spend too much time on toxic social networks and suddenly start to see 33 all over even when the number is 21, because his neurons are seeing the same pattern too many times with these algorithms that are optimized to turn us all into neurotics.
    - 6y ago

jdkee 6y ago

"Human societies must have a free road to organize themselves and grow in a organic way." How does this happen in the monoculture of the global internet, where local heterogenous subcultures (music, art, cuisine, traditions, languages) are eradicated?

oscargrouch 6y ago
The globalization movement that started in the 90's, have no way back. It was the right direction to take anyway.. The question is how much resilient we are to create and cultivate local stuff over the global noise.. I'm pretty sure that despite the difficulty of the task, we can handle it.. But we must have the proper tools to make it flourish.. but my fear is that while we are figuring out all this, some big players decide to replay the titanic wars devouring their children before they get too powerful.. Its not happening yet, because there are barely no threats, but once they start to show up and become trends, i don't expect them to play nice. And with all the power and control "they" have, it will not be like any old industry vs. newcomers we have witnessed before. (BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come)
- IndySun 6y ago
  > The globalization movement that started in the 90's< What was this?
- nobody9999 6y ago
  >(BTW the matrix app being kicked out of peoples cell phones might be a sign of what will come) Let's be precise here. The Element app was suspended from the Play Store (and restored in less than 24 hours) It was most certainly not removed from peoples' phones. We have serious issues with the centralization of network services and we should scream loudly about it and look for ways to diminish the power that comes with that centralization. However, making specious claims like that doesn't help. It just makes those who rail against the concentrated power of these big corporations seem deranged. There are plenty of real issues to rail against without making shit up.