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Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's al

Truth is somewhere in between: 1. It's true that media is controlled by Government now. It wasn't the case before this government came into action. 2. It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmering group head ask for bribes and favours and then sell government subsidized produce to select companies who rendered those favours. But they make it as if this movement is to save the interest of the poor farmers, it's not. It's to save their own interest, they'll lose their power to ask for bribes like gst commissioners, custom officers have lost in last few months thanks to the government's faceless medium of interaction with the average citizen, no officer can put influence on a person now and convince them to offer bribes. 3. It's true that the government has brought reforms and removed medieval practises like triple talaq and polygamy for the Muslims but at the same time played hypocrite by banning beaf in multiple states. This doesn't look good at all. Is it going in good or bad direction? Well if I compare to the governments round the globe, this government isn't really that bad. It's very hard to govern a country as large and diverse as India where multiple groups of different ethnicities and religion are trying to step on each others head to undermine others interest and fight for their own. Many things have improved in infrastructure since this government came. 4. While they brought GST with goal to remove multiple taxation on good and services at every step of value addition. They've brought taxes on fuel to high, which if you look closely is also a "multiple taxation" at every step of production. So what gives? It means government simply failed to fund itself without this excessive taxation in production.

mr_toad 6y ago
> which if you look closely is also a "multiple taxation" at every step of production. Seems odd if true. In most countries GST/VAT/Sales Tax is deductible for everyone except the consumer.
xrisk 6y ago
> It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmering group head ask for bribes and favours and then sell government subsidized produce to select companies who rendered those favours. Can you please address the issues highlighted by the farmers instead of speculating on where they obtain funding from? In particular how will the passage of the farm bills prevent this practice that you claim exists? As I see it, it would just allow large players to gobble up the competition (ala Jio).
dragonsh 6y ago
> Truth is somewhere in between In current case it’s not somewhere in between, it’s just my way or highway kind. If you understand the nuances, India has many special laws for every community like Muslim, in India there is a Hindu marriage act which has many inconsistency so your point 3 is not correct. All those reforms are targeted at specific community to promote a narrative which follows dictatorial style to follow a specific Hindu way of living (inspired by Nazi, supremacy of Aryans). India is in a downward spiral on every measure which matters like mal-nourishment, infant mortality , poverty (i.e. HDI), education, economic development, healthcare even before COVID-19. This is made worse by the pandemic. This is not somewhere in between enough research and UN data is available to verify it. Neighbouring countries of India did much better in many parameters. Current protests of farmers are a result of disrespecting India’s diversity and consensus based approach. If you look at the actual text of the reforms there are two sides and government should have put this text for consultations and than accommodated the changes. They didn’t go through the process, just diluted it and rammed through the reforms taking advantage of pandemic lockdowns. You can read many accounts how constitutional safeguards were diluted or twisted to pass many so called reforms, this is the reason of widespread prolonged outrage. There might be some vested interest trying to take advantage of this, but that’s due to authoritarian non-consensus based approach.
- eklavya 6y ago
  So Hindu and Christian marriage bills having different divorce timelines is the same as keeping Muslim women at the mercy of Muslim men where they can text a divorce? What kind of sick propaganda are you peddling in this whole thread? Can you name one civilised society where triple talaq and polygamy exclusively for men exists? It’s unfortunate that we can’t agree on this just because of our political leanings.
  - intended 6y ago
    India. The Indian approach to multicultural laws has its own merits, which I have seen lauded in German law journals. Indian divorce laws were moved forward for a few communities at a time - till at one day the courts said "The laws are such for Hindus, Muslims and for Parsees. The fact that they have not been reflected in Christian practices is also incorrect so we hereby update the Christian divorce code" Over the years the laws in India have been moving forward and reforming, in parallel to how the country has been evolving. All laws are some function of its local customs.
webmobdev 6y ago
You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say: > It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers. Farming in India is done by millions of small farmers. That is why the broker system thrives (along with highly regulated market places) as it is easier to deal with brokers than with so many millions of farmers to procure in large-scale. Ofcourse, like in any economic system some people do find ways to abuse the system, but the regulated marketplace do ensure that farmers can get by (not thrive, but barely survive - the current system does need reforms and the farmers have been demanding changes for a long time too). The new farm laws dismantle this regulated marketplaces, in the guise of "fixing" the broker system, but cleverly replaces them with corporates instead (by advocating and strengthening laws for contract farming in the favour corporate). This makes the whole thing even more worse for the farmers, as their bargaining powers are further reduced. Many indian farmers are poor and uneducated but the government thinks it's completely ok to let them get into contract farming with corporates without any safety net or support. This is why the farmers are demanding the repeal of the farm laws. The government is hamstrung and chooses to be arrogant out of fear of appearing to be "weak" against the opposition, and so doesn't even engage with them. Matters have reached this level because the farm laws were undemocratically pushed through using the government's brute majority, without any proper discussions in public or parliamentary committee or even in Parliament. In both the US and Europe, contract farming has seen the consolidation of farms under few corporates. Many political parties understandably do not want that to happen in india too. - 1% of farms operate 70% of world's farmland: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/24/farmland-inequality-is-rising-around-the-world-finds-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/24/farmland... - Contract farming as a means of ushering in corporatisation in agriculture: https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/fast-forward-to-corporatisation/article32880281.ece https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/fast-forward-to-co...
- ngc248 6y ago
  With the mandi system, the farmers never made money. It was always the mandi (the middle man) who made money. These mandis also can hoard and drive up the prices, They have total control over the supply. The farmer orgs currently protesting are all opposition backed orgs. so all of this is political
ngc248 6y ago
Dude, which media houses are controlled by the government? can we stop with this meme? NDTV, the times group all of the influential media houses oppose the government. So pray tell me which media exactly is controlled by the government?
- rishav_sharan 6y ago
  When I think of media groups with anti-govt stand, NDTV and Telegraph are the only ones I can think of. Every one else seems to be part of the govt - media nexus or is central leaning.
  - ngc248 6y ago
    Whole of media, all of the literary intelligentsia are left leaning. What are you talking about? NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald all of em are against the BJP government. I am not railing against these media houses, it is their choice, but this meme that the government is controlling whatsapp, facebook, media etc needs to stop. No one talks about what congress was doing with cambridge analytics, its like everyone thinks they are the underdogs now. Congress ruled india for 60 years. In fact they were the system.
    - wolfretcrap 6y ago
      >NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald Except NDTV all Indian media TV channels are pro government. They try very hard to statisfy government propoganda everywhere. Indian express, telegraph, Deccan Harald - most average people in India watch TV news channels

mr_toad 6y ago

> which if you look closely is also a "multiple taxation" at every step of production. Seems odd if true. In most countries GST/VAT/Sales Tax is deductible for everyone except the consumer.

xrisk 6y ago

> It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. You may ask where they get their money from go continue the protest? Basically from the existing network of exporters of fruits, vegetables, grains etc... These farmering group head ask for bribes and favours and then sell government subsidized produce to select companies who rendered those favours. Can you please address the issues highlighted by the farmers instead of speculating on where they obtain funding from? In particular how will the passage of the farm bills prevent this practice that you claim exists? As I see it, it would just allow large players to gobble up the competition (ala Jio).

dragonsh 6y ago

> Truth is somewhere in between In current case it’s not somewhere in between, it’s just my way or highway kind. If you understand the nuances, India has many special laws for every community like Muslim, in India there is a Hindu marriage act which has many inconsistency so your point 3 is not correct. All those reforms are targeted at specific community to promote a narrative which follows dictatorial style to follow a specific Hindu way of living (inspired by Nazi, supremacy of Aryans). India is in a downward spiral on every measure which matters like mal-nourishment, infant mortality , poverty (i.e. HDI), education, economic development, healthcare even before COVID-19. This is made worse by the pandemic. This is not somewhere in between enough research and UN data is available to verify it. Neighbouring countries of India did much better in many parameters. Current protests of farmers are a result of disrespecting India’s diversity and consensus based approach. If you look at the actual text of the reforms there are two sides and government should have put this text for consultations and than accommodated the changes. They didn’t go through the process, just diluted it and rammed through the reforms taking advantage of pandemic lockdowns. You can read many accounts how constitutional safeguards were diluted or twisted to pass many so called reforms, this is the reason of widespread prolonged outrage. There might be some vested interest trying to take advantage of this, but that’s due to authoritarian non-consensus based approach.

eklavya 6y ago
So Hindu and Christian marriage bills having different divorce timelines is the same as keeping Muslim women at the mercy of Muslim men where they can text a divorce? What kind of sick propaganda are you peddling in this whole thread? Can you name one civilised society where triple talaq and polygamy exclusively for men exists? It’s unfortunate that we can’t agree on this just because of our political leanings.
- intended 6y ago
  India. The Indian approach to multicultural laws has its own merits, which I have seen lauded in German law journals. Indian divorce laws were moved forward for a few communities at a time - till at one day the courts said "The laws are such for Hindus, Muslims and for Parsees. The fact that they have not been reflected in Christian practices is also incorrect so we hereby update the Christian divorce code" Over the years the laws in India have been moving forward and reforming, in parallel to how the country has been evolving. All laws are some function of its local customs.

webmobdev 6y ago

You have totally bought the government misinformation on the protest when you say: > It's also true that existing power nexus like these farmer brokers who are spearheading the protest. No. These protests are organised by the opposition political parties of India through the farm unions they run or are affiliated with, not by brokers. And they are happening to address the legitimate grievances of the farmers. Farming in India is done by millions of small farmers. That is why the broker system thrives (along with highly regulated market places) as it is easier to deal with brokers than with so many millions of farmers to procure in large-scale. Ofcourse, like in any economic system some people do find ways to abuse the system, but the regulated marketplace do ensure that farmers can get by (not thrive, but barely survive - the current system does need reforms and the farmers have been demanding changes for a long time too). The new farm laws dismantle this regulated marketplaces, in the guise of "fixing" the broker system, but cleverly replaces them with corporates instead (by advocating and strengthening laws for contract farming in the favour corporate). This makes the whole thing even more worse for the farmers, as their bargaining powers are further reduced. Many indian farmers are poor and uneducated but the government thinks it's completely ok to let them get into contract farming with corporates without any safety net or support. This is why the farmers are demanding the repeal of the farm laws. The government is hamstrung and chooses to be arrogant out of fear of appearing to be "weak" against the opposition, and so doesn't even engage with them. Matters have reached this level because the farm laws were undemocratically pushed through using the government's brute majority, without any proper discussions in public or parliamentary committee or even in Parliament. In both the US and Europe, contract farming has seen the consolidation of farms under few corporates. Many political parties understandably do not want that to happen in india too. - 1% of farms operate 70% of world's farmland: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/24/farmland-inequality-is-rising-around-the-world-finds-report https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/24/farmland... - Contract farming as a means of ushering in corporatisation in agriculture: https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/fast-forward-to-corporatisation/article32880281.ece https://frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/fast-forward-to-co...

ngc248 6y ago
With the mandi system, the farmers never made money. It was always the mandi (the middle man) who made money. These mandis also can hoard and drive up the prices, They have total control over the supply. The farmer orgs currently protesting are all opposition backed orgs. so all of this is political

ngc248 6y ago

Dude, which media houses are controlled by the government? can we stop with this meme? NDTV, the times group all of the influential media houses oppose the government. So pray tell me which media exactly is controlled by the government?

rishav_sharan 6y ago
When I think of media groups with anti-govt stand, NDTV and Telegraph are the only ones I can think of. Every one else seems to be part of the govt - media nexus or is central leaning.
- ngc248 6y ago
  Whole of media, all of the literary intelligentsia are left leaning. What are you talking about? NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald all of em are against the BJP government. I am not railing against these media houses, it is their choice, but this meme that the government is controlling whatsapp, facebook, media etc needs to stop. No one talks about what congress was doing with cambridge analytics, its like everyone thinks they are the underdogs now. Congress ruled india for 60 years. In fact they were the system.
  - wolfretcrap 6y ago
    >NDTV, Hindu, Telegraph, Indian express, Deccan Herald Except NDTV all Indian media TV channels are pro government. They try very hard to statisfy government propoganda everywhere. Indian express, telegraph, Deccan Harald - most average people in India watch TV news channels