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Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in

Again you are parroting the same national agenda of the current Indian government of a Hindu state and Hindu way of living forcibly forced on every community in India. Recent example of local government passing laws to support groups and Organization who kill people who eat beef, another example of people of different religion marrying needs approval from state government (calling it law against love jihad). Not sure what is Stone Age medieval. If you want to repeal laws in India, first study them. India has Hindu marriage act too, especially designed for Hindu undivided family with similar inconsistency. In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live. If woman are unhappy with unjust law let them as community fight it. You don’t have to force your views or your self-righteous way for them. Indeed the funny part is the woman of that very community you try to help, despise the current Indian government. If the purpose of the change was to help that community there will be some support, but indeed there is complete opposition. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Marriage_Act,_1954 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Marriage_Act,_1954

quantgenius 6y ago
Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. It’s a state issue. The Central government cannot legislate on the subject, it’s on the state list of subjects. You are criticizing the central government for a law a bunch of state governments passed decades ago!! There is a Hindu Marriage Act and other religious marriage acts. The difference is all but the Muslim marriage acts essentially are very similar to typical western laws other than certain technical details like when in a ceremony a couple is considered married etc. The only exceptions to this are that under the Hindu Marriage Act multiple spouses are permitted with the consent of all spouses and ... well everything in the Muslim Marriage Act. A Muslim woman can choose to be married under the special marriage act but most are not educated, don’t know they can, are pressured not to and it has to be done before marriage. It may forbid triple talaq but other provisions like custody and alimony still apply. And consider what it took to get even that passed. Protests, crazy ones just like for the CAA. And of course it’s repeal was one of the demands of the CAA protestors.
- intended 6y ago
  But it isn't abolished in all states, and India is the largest exporter of beef. Beef politics is new and a recent BJP/Modi/Adityanath invention. It is the same tactics the British used to divide the country, and simply used as a tool to target Muslims. The fact is that Hindus eat beef and there is no religious proscription against it, that is the whole point of "Hinduism being a way of life". Secondly - old cows are not a resource, and farmers do not care about them. You cannot support their population without making cows useless to farmers. So cows get slaughtered. The efforts made to politicize this has lead to herds of cows destroying farmers and farm land. Now that the attention of the population is away from cows, I bet farmers and politicians are busy shipping cows to be butchered once again. Its pretty amazing that no one wonders who is selling these cows to be killed, it only becomes an issue when muslims eat meat.
- dragonsh 6y ago
  > criticising the central government Conveniently leaving the truth that those state government which banned beef is same as central government (ruling central government party). People killed on suspicion of storing beef in home refrigerator is also perpetrated by central government party and its members (this is the reason no one got punished or prosecuted for mob killing). Central government has wide powers to initiate investigations and punish local officials as they have constantly done to muzzle political opponents in every state where they are not in power. > marriage act There is a reason it’s called Hindu marriage act and it’s very patriarchal with lots of inconsistencies. Not just this, there are many laws in India which needs repeal or reform like laws on sedition’s which are conveniently used by current government to put people in jail without trial trampling basic human rights. For higher courts it’s important to judge what a comedian can say or not say and habeas corpus cases are just kept pending. A minister of central government is outraged and any court takes up the case with utmost urgency, and person languish in jails for years waiting for their habeas corpus plea pending hearing. > Muslim reforms Let that community decide what reforms they want, don’t impose your will on them. May be follow a bit of Buddhism to do self introspection and all will be evident.
  - dang 6y ago
quantgenius 6y ago
Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.
- webmobdev 6y ago
  That's not true. You can have a religious ceremony after the civil ceremony is registered.
- srean 6y ago
  Citation or else this is false. In any case the ceremonies are much too elaborate to be held in magistrates office without cutting corners. So they are held at home or marriage halls.
legolas2412 6y ago
> In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live. I agree with you on general gist but not this. Seriously? You don't think muslim women are oppressed by these medieval age laws and need to be changed? You don't think bringing religion into laws was a horrible idea, and live jihad is just the other side of the picture of triple talaq laws? You can't just hate one side and turn blind to the evils of the other.

quantgenius 6y ago

Beef consumption has been forbidden in most Indian states since independence and supported by all political parties. It’s a state issue. The Central government cannot legislate on the subject, it’s on the state list of subjects. You are criticizing the central government for a law a bunch of state governments passed decades ago!! There is a Hindu Marriage Act and other religious marriage acts. The difference is all but the Muslim marriage acts essentially are very similar to typical western laws other than certain technical details like when in a ceremony a couple is considered married etc. The only exceptions to this are that under the Hindu Marriage Act multiple spouses are permitted with the consent of all spouses and ... well everything in the Muslim Marriage Act. A Muslim woman can choose to be married under the special marriage act but most are not educated, don’t know they can, are pressured not to and it has to be done before marriage. It may forbid triple talaq but other provisions like custody and alimony still apply. And consider what it took to get even that passed. Protests, crazy ones just like for the CAA. And of course it’s repeal was one of the demands of the CAA protestors.

intended 6y ago
But it isn't abolished in all states, and India is the largest exporter of beef. Beef politics is new and a recent BJP/Modi/Adityanath invention. It is the same tactics the British used to divide the country, and simply used as a tool to target Muslims. The fact is that Hindus eat beef and there is no religious proscription against it, that is the whole point of "Hinduism being a way of life". Secondly - old cows are not a resource, and farmers do not care about them. You cannot support their population without making cows useless to farmers. So cows get slaughtered. The efforts made to politicize this has lead to herds of cows destroying farmers and farm land. Now that the attention of the population is away from cows, I bet farmers and politicians are busy shipping cows to be butchered once again. Its pretty amazing that no one wonders who is selling these cows to be killed, it only becomes an issue when muslims eat meat.
dragonsh 6y ago
> criticising the central government Conveniently leaving the truth that those state government which banned beef is same as central government (ruling central government party). People killed on suspicion of storing beef in home refrigerator is also perpetrated by central government party and its members (this is the reason no one got punished or prosecuted for mob killing). Central government has wide powers to initiate investigations and punish local officials as they have constantly done to muzzle political opponents in every state where they are not in power. > marriage act There is a reason it’s called Hindu marriage act and it’s very patriarchal with lots of inconsistencies. Not just this, there are many laws in India which needs repeal or reform like laws on sedition’s which are conveniently used by current government to put people in jail without trial trampling basic human rights. For higher courts it’s important to judge what a comedian can say or not say and habeas corpus cases are just kept pending. A minister of central government is outraged and any court takes up the case with utmost urgency, and person languish in jails for years waiting for their habeas corpus plea pending hearing. > Muslim reforms Let that community decide what reforms they want, don’t impose your will on them. May be follow a bit of Buddhism to do self introspection and all will be evident.
- dang 6y ago

quantgenius 6y ago

Also to be married under the Special Marriage Act you can really only have a civil ceremony at a magistrates office. If you have a religious ceremony, it does not apply.

webmobdev 6y ago
That's not true. You can have a religious ceremony after the civil ceremony is registered.
srean 6y ago
Citation or else this is false. In any case the ceremonies are much too elaborate to be held in magistrates office without cutting corners. So they are held at home or marriage halls.

legolas2412 6y ago

> In India a Muslim woman can choose special marriage act [1], where triple talaq is inapplicable. It’s not for you or majority to decide how that community should live. I agree with you on general gist but not this. Seriously? You don't think muslim women are oppressed by these medieval age laws and need to be changed? You don't think bringing religion into laws was a horrible idea, and live jihad is just the other side of the picture of triple talaq laws? You can't just hate one side and turn blind to the evils of the other.