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How many cellphone towers from JIO have the protesters destroyed till now? It was over 1500 last I checked, but that was like end of December. Destroying priva

How many cellphone towers from JIO have the protesters destroyed till now? It was over 1500 last I checked, but that was like end of December. Destroying private property based on arbit FUD propaganda. Oh so peaceful.

intended 6y ago
Ah yes, when we can't demonize them as minorities, or reflect on the largely peaceful protest, we return to "who will think of the ~~busses~~ I mean telecom towers!" The ones owned by a company that has a lot to gain from these remarkable laws! I mean, property damage is a stones throw too far, given that the government has listened and responded, and created laws which don't remove access to courts for anyone with a dispute. But yes, any violence to property is truly abhorrent. Incidentally, I am pro agri reform. I would never trust this government to execute anything though. Seriously, a bill which removes your right to legal recourse? Your only succor a tribunal run by the ministry? Even then, they are not trying to redo the bills, they simply want to push it off to a later date. To be honest I do hope everything they want passes, and that everyone who voted for them stays behind in the glorious country. I suspect there is no other way that the mechanistic, command and control mindset prevalent throughout the country will removed.
- eklavya 6y ago
  So sometimes the courts are corrupt and dancing to the tune of the industrialist or it’s the beacon of justice, when convenient? Sometimes in the same argument? I do agree though that clause was asinine. Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? What exactly are the demands of this protest? They seem to have changed a lot from the start. What about protesting when something actually has gone wrong and you can actually point to a loss?
  - fakedang 6y ago
    > Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? Do you miss out on the huge number of HN discussions talking about the damaging effects of monopolization by BigTech players? Now imagine if you're a farmer who can only sell to 1 of 2 conglomerates, both led by big shot industrialists with ties to the govt (which will also run the arbitration tribunal). So much "free market" right?
    - eklavya 6y ago
      So you sell in the old mandi system? Which had the monopoly until now.
      - rishav_sharan 6y ago
        How does a "system" get a monopoly? Genuinely asking as I didn't understand your point. A mandi, from what I understand is a large market of traders.
        eklavya 6y ago
        https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/MdPnXrH2B3H5lhD3O5I3bK/How-to-weaken-the-mandi-monopoly.html https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/MdPnXrH2B3H5lhD3O5I3bK/How-...
        rishav_sharan 6y ago
        Thanks. Much appreciated.
      - fakedang 6y ago
        The mandi system is a monopoly in the markets space, where buyers and sellers have only one place to do commerce. Ambani, Tata and Adani would be a monopoly in the buyers space. Big difference.

intended 6y ago

Ah yes, when we can't demonize them as minorities, or reflect on the largely peaceful protest, we return to "who will think of the ~~busses~~ I mean telecom towers!" The ones owned by a company that has a lot to gain from these remarkable laws! I mean, property damage is a stones throw too far, given that the government has listened and responded, and created laws which don't remove access to courts for anyone with a dispute. But yes, any violence to property is truly abhorrent. Incidentally, I am pro agri reform. I would never trust this government to execute anything though. Seriously, a bill which removes your right to legal recourse? Your only succor a tribunal run by the ministry? Even then, they are not trying to redo the bills, they simply want to push it off to a later date. To be honest I do hope everything they want passes, and that everyone who voted for them stays behind in the glorious country. I suspect there is no other way that the mechanistic, command and control mindset prevalent throughout the country will removed.

eklavya 6y ago
So sometimes the courts are corrupt and dancing to the tune of the industrialist or it’s the beacon of justice, when convenient? Sometimes in the same argument? I do agree though that clause was asinine. Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? What exactly are the demands of this protest? They seem to have changed a lot from the start. What about protesting when something actually has gone wrong and you can actually point to a loss?
- fakedang 6y ago
  > Even if reliance gets to benefit, is the farmer being harmed for it? Poor farmer has a lot to gain from this bill. They get supply of funds right from by muting seeds and fertilisers to having assured income. Just paint the “industrialist” as the monster and destroy away? Do you miss out on the huge number of HN discussions talking about the damaging effects of monopolization by BigTech players? Now imagine if you're a farmer who can only sell to 1 of 2 conglomerates, both led by big shot industrialists with ties to the govt (which will also run the arbitration tribunal). So much "free market" right?
  - eklavya 6y ago
    So you sell in the old mandi system? Which had the monopoly until now.
    - rishav_sharan 6y ago
      How does a "system" get a monopoly? Genuinely asking as I didn't understand your point. A mandi, from what I understand is a large market of traders.
      - eklavya 6y ago
        https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/MdPnXrH2B3H5lhD3O5I3bK/How-to-weaken-the-mandi-monopoly.html https://www.livemint.com/Opinion/MdPnXrH2B3H5lhD3O5I3bK/How-...
        rishav_sharan 6y ago
        Thanks. Much appreciated.
    - fakedang 6y ago
      The mandi system is a monopoly in the markets space, where buyers and sellers have only one place to do commerce. Ambani, Tata and Adani would be a monopoly in the buyers space. Big difference.