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Wow. The most “revenge” thing I ever did was to send a copy of the town’s noise bylaw, anonymously, to a nearby resident who had held a very loud “backyard con

Wow. The most “revenge” thing I ever did was to send a copy of the town’s noise bylaw, anonymously, to a nearby resident who had held a very loud “backyard concert” on labour day weekends over the previous two years. They didn’t have one the third year.

coldtea 6y ago
So his offense was having noisy fun on a bank holiday once a year?
- IIAOPSW 6y ago
  And his punishment was a passive aggressive letter in the mail.
  - covidthrow 6y ago
    His punishment was an anonymous threat of violence by way of institutional power. But I guess it all depends on how you frame it.
    - sebastien_b 6y ago
      > His punishment was an anonymous threat of violence by way of institutional power > Yes, it is a threat to send armed agents of the State to intervene [1] This is farcical at best. No 'threat' was made, let alone any of violence. At worst, it was a reminder to the offender to get a clue in the first place, and not to do it again. I've yet to hear of any bylaw officer, anywhere, showing up in armor and weapons in order to warn a violator, or issue any citation against one, ever. You're probably the type that takes offense at "Beware of Dog" signs, believing that you shouldn't have to be bothered to 'beware' of anything. :rollseyes: [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25983682 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25983682
- sebastien_b 6y ago
  More like being total assholes to everyone else in the area. It was VERY loud, way above “reasonable” and went on quite late. The second year made me assume they did it on purpose.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Shouldn't, rather, everyone else in the area, also party hard on such a holiday? Or at least allow people who want to the fucking possibility to do it once a year? Or should no one party loudly, ever, lest they annoy someone in the neighborhood? I have neighbors that have large, late parties on major holidays. Being where I am, they run until 3am or so. That happens 4-5 times a year (different people). And we're talking apartment buildings, touch or above/below each other, not some US suburban neighbor, where the neighbor's house is 200ft or more from your house. Still I could not care less. Close the windows, wear some ear plugs, and sleep. Now, if someone did it consistently, in weekdays, and for a longer period, sure...
    - covidthrow 6y ago
      I'm with you on this: the very occasional loud fun should, in my very humble opinion, be allowed to happen without fuss. Where I'm from, about 3-4 times a year, people in the area will go ape wild on fireworks until the wee hours of the morning. It's not legal from both a safety and noise standpoint, but they do it responsibly, so who cares? They won't bust out the high-flying rockets unless we've had rain, they do it in their various mowed fields, they do it sober, etc. So the only real complaint would be that it goes on until 2-3am. With a baby the last few years and agitated dogs, it's not exactly "fun" for us, but... I can live a few nights of the year with interrupted sleep while my neighbors have a grand time celebrating. It would be one thing if their celebrations caused conflict or extremely dangerous situations—one could argue shooting fireworks qualifies—but my personal risk analysis of their behavior doesn't leave me concerned. Nobody is driving home drunk, getting into fights, etc. So who cares? I'm sure someone in this world may be inclined to complain about odor when I smoke meats a few times a year (I don't think any sorts live around me though), but I would expect the same kind of consideration that I extend others when they very seldomly and gently encroach on my comfort. I guess what I'm getting at is this: it seems that the parent poster is the self-centered one. I acknowledge that I don't understand their situation, but I find it exceedingly difficult to fathom a scenario in which a single night a year is severely detrimental to their own well-being. Let them have fun, ffs! What kind of party pooper is so self involved to do this sort of passive aggressive attack? I'm sorry, parent, but I think maybe you're the bad neighbor.
- asiachick 6y ago
  I somewhat agree with you that being loud once a year isn't that bad but .... if I was to do it I'd invite the entire neighborhood (which is also ends up being notification and a chance to object) Also, in Japan this would almost never happen. If someone wanted to throw a loud party they'd rent a space for it. That doesn't seem common in the USA in my experience. But, having gotten used to it in Japan, it's kind of disappointing that it's not more common. Sure you can sometimes rent an entire bar or restaurant in the USA but it seems super rare where as it's common in Japan. On the other hand, it's also not common in the USA to pay for a party but in Japan no one blinks an eye if someone invites you to a party and says "We're having a party Friday night. It's $30 a person" I know it's not entirely the same because it's indoors.
- ReactiveJelly 6y ago
  Yes. It's a negative externality [1] which reduces the value GP would otherwise get from their home. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
  - coldtea 6y ago
    If only life was not just about getting the perfect return at all times...
    - gowld 6y ago
      Are you saying that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not important?
- bryanrasmussen 6y ago
  since you don't know the noise levels of the fun or any other things that might have made it especially aggravating for the poster it seems slightly too negative an interpretation of things, I know I would probably let someone else slide on having big noisy parties - based on experiences with my neighbor - but part of that was the feeling of that poor guy has to be neighbors with me, can't be easy.

coldtea 6y ago

So his offense was having noisy fun on a bank holiday once a year?

IIAOPSW 6y ago
And his punishment was a passive aggressive letter in the mail.
- covidthrow 6y ago
  His punishment was an anonymous threat of violence by way of institutional power. But I guess it all depends on how you frame it.
  - sebastien_b 6y ago
    > His punishment was an anonymous threat of violence by way of institutional power > Yes, it is a threat to send armed agents of the State to intervene [1] This is farcical at best. No 'threat' was made, let alone any of violence. At worst, it was a reminder to the offender to get a clue in the first place, and not to do it again. I've yet to hear of any bylaw officer, anywhere, showing up in armor and weapons in order to warn a violator, or issue any citation against one, ever. You're probably the type that takes offense at "Beware of Dog" signs, believing that you shouldn't have to be bothered to 'beware' of anything. :rollseyes: [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25983682 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25983682
sebastien_b 6y ago
More like being total assholes to everyone else in the area. It was VERY loud, way above “reasonable” and went on quite late. The second year made me assume they did it on purpose.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Shouldn't, rather, everyone else in the area, also party hard on such a holiday? Or at least allow people who want to the fucking possibility to do it once a year? Or should no one party loudly, ever, lest they annoy someone in the neighborhood? I have neighbors that have large, late parties on major holidays. Being where I am, they run until 3am or so. That happens 4-5 times a year (different people). And we're talking apartment buildings, touch or above/below each other, not some US suburban neighbor, where the neighbor's house is 200ft or more from your house. Still I could not care less. Close the windows, wear some ear plugs, and sleep. Now, if someone did it consistently, in weekdays, and for a longer period, sure...
  - covidthrow 6y ago
    I'm with you on this: the very occasional loud fun should, in my very humble opinion, be allowed to happen without fuss. Where I'm from, about 3-4 times a year, people in the area will go ape wild on fireworks until the wee hours of the morning. It's not legal from both a safety and noise standpoint, but they do it responsibly, so who cares? They won't bust out the high-flying rockets unless we've had rain, they do it in their various mowed fields, they do it sober, etc. So the only real complaint would be that it goes on until 2-3am. With a baby the last few years and agitated dogs, it's not exactly "fun" for us, but... I can live a few nights of the year with interrupted sleep while my neighbors have a grand time celebrating. It would be one thing if their celebrations caused conflict or extremely dangerous situations—one could argue shooting fireworks qualifies—but my personal risk analysis of their behavior doesn't leave me concerned. Nobody is driving home drunk, getting into fights, etc. So who cares? I'm sure someone in this world may be inclined to complain about odor when I smoke meats a few times a year (I don't think any sorts live around me though), but I would expect the same kind of consideration that I extend others when they very seldomly and gently encroach on my comfort. I guess what I'm getting at is this: it seems that the parent poster is the self-centered one. I acknowledge that I don't understand their situation, but I find it exceedingly difficult to fathom a scenario in which a single night a year is severely detrimental to their own well-being. Let them have fun, ffs! What kind of party pooper is so self involved to do this sort of passive aggressive attack? I'm sorry, parent, but I think maybe you're the bad neighbor.
asiachick 6y ago
I somewhat agree with you that being loud once a year isn't that bad but .... if I was to do it I'd invite the entire neighborhood (which is also ends up being notification and a chance to object) Also, in Japan this would almost never happen. If someone wanted to throw a loud party they'd rent a space for it. That doesn't seem common in the USA in my experience. But, having gotten used to it in Japan, it's kind of disappointing that it's not more common. Sure you can sometimes rent an entire bar or restaurant in the USA but it seems super rare where as it's common in Japan. On the other hand, it's also not common in the USA to pay for a party but in Japan no one blinks an eye if someone invites you to a party and says "We're having a party Friday night. It's $30 a person" I know it's not entirely the same because it's indoors.
ReactiveJelly 6y ago
Yes. It's a negative externality [1] which reduces the value GP would otherwise get from their home. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
- coldtea 6y ago
  If only life was not just about getting the perfect return at all times...
  - gowld 6y ago
    Are you saying that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is not important?
bryanrasmussen 6y ago
since you don't know the noise levels of the fun or any other things that might have made it especially aggravating for the poster it seems slightly too negative an interpretation of things, I know I would probably let someone else slide on having big noisy parties - based on experiences with my neighbor - but part of that was the feeling of that poor guy has to be neighbors with me, can't be easy.