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How do you feel about the revolutionary war? Or the Jacobite uprisings? Or the troubles? Or the French Resistance? Or the Yugoslav Partisans? I’m all for peace

How do you feel about the revolutionary war? Or the Jacobite uprisings? Or the troubles? Or the French Resistance? Or the Yugoslav Partisans? I’m all for peaceful solutions too, but if you look through history you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. In this case it seems inevitable to me. The aggrieved parties here mostly come from a place that was previously violently conquered by the Mughal Empire, then later violently won their independence to form the Sikh Empire, shortly after that they were violently conquered again by the British Raj. The British Raj was ousted by nonviolent resistance, but that’s an incredible anomaly in history, and was only really possible because the British had largely lost interest in holding the colony. The result was the partitioning of India, which worked out terribly for a lot of people. Especially the Punjabis, who’s state was cut in half and split between Islamic Pakistan, and Hindu India. Hindu Nationalism on the India side of the border has lead to decades of often violent oppression of minority group in India. Why would violent resistance not be a morally defensible response? I also find the international coverage of this issue quite funny. If you only read international sources you might come away with the impression that this conflict is just between “farmers” and the Indian government. If you read Indian sources you’re more likely to get the impression this is a separatist conflict between “Khalistani terrorists” and the Indian government.

0xFFFE 6y ago
So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. > you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. Sure, but we should have a sense of proportion here. Supreme court is hearing the case and the Govt has agreed to put the new law on hold for 1.5 years. Why not wait for Supreme court's judgement? How do you justify blocking highways for over 2 months causing great economic damage to your fellow countrymen, that too during COVID times when people are struggling to put the food on the table. I have read the bill and I am linking it here (this is Govt. Of India website). There is nothing there that can justify the violence we just witnessed. http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2020/222040.pdf http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2020/222040.pdf
- AmericanChopper 6y ago
  > So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. The protest is against the farm Bill, which is seen as a further act of oppression against minority groups, from a government formed to serve only Hindu India. The agriculture industry in India is dominated by minorities, mainly Sikhs, and mainly Punjabis. The aggrieved parties here see this as an act of economic oppression, and if you want to make sense of the controversy, you have to view it in the broader context of Indian history, especially wrt everything that’s happened in the post-partition period. Tanks rolling up to the golden temple is still a very fresh memory for a lot of these protestors.
  - eklavya 6y ago
    Sorry no, largest producer of wheat is Madhya Pradesh and not Punjab. Punjab has the richest farmers though.
    - srean 6y ago
      Another lie (are you trying to compete with Modi :) https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1626703 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1626703 Madhya Pradesh has lagged Punjab in wheat production although it is several times the size of Punjab in area. The first slot is usually taken by UP or Punjab http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/india%20production/India_Productions.aspx?cat=Agri&hscode=1013 http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/india%20production/India_Pr... Note that I am citing governments records.

0xFFFE 6y ago

So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. > you’ll find plenty of morally righteous violent resistance. Sure, but we should have a sense of proportion here. Supreme court is hearing the case and the Govt has agreed to put the new law on hold for 1.5 years. Why not wait for Supreme court's judgement? How do you justify blocking highways for over 2 months causing great economic damage to your fellow countrymen, that too during COVID times when people are struggling to put the food on the table. I have read the bill and I am linking it here (this is Govt. Of India website). There is nothing there that can justify the violence we just witnessed. http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2020/222040.pdf http://egazette.nic.in/WriteReadData/2020/222040.pdf

AmericanChopper 6y ago
> So if this not a protest against the farm bill, they should drop the facade then. The protest is against the farm Bill, which is seen as a further act of oppression against minority groups, from a government formed to serve only Hindu India. The agriculture industry in India is dominated by minorities, mainly Sikhs, and mainly Punjabis. The aggrieved parties here see this as an act of economic oppression, and if you want to make sense of the controversy, you have to view it in the broader context of Indian history, especially wrt everything that’s happened in the post-partition period. Tanks rolling up to the golden temple is still a very fresh memory for a lot of these protestors.
- eklavya 6y ago
  Sorry no, largest producer of wheat is Madhya Pradesh and not Punjab. Punjab has the richest farmers though.
  - srean 6y ago
    Another lie (are you trying to compete with Modi :) https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1626703 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleaseIframePage.aspx?PRID=1626703 Madhya Pradesh has lagged Punjab in wheat production although it is several times the size of Punjab in area. The first slot is usually taken by UP or Punjab http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/india%20production/India_Productions.aspx?cat=Agri&hscode=1013 http://agriexchange.apeda.gov.in/india%20production/India_Pr... Note that I am citing governments records.