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I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The vid

I don't think we are talking about the same thing. I was talking about the protestors attacking cops of which there are a lot of videos on social media. The video I linked above shows them jumping from a fort to save themselves.

alex_smart 6y ago
There is plenty of propaganda floating around from both sides. If you dislike muddy waters, I would recommend staying out of Indian politics. It is a clusterfuck. To add to your top comment, these events - protestors attacking police personnel and protestors raiding Red Fort and raising their own flags - happened on republic day, which is like a mini 4th of July for India (we have two: 15th August, which is when India became independent and 26th January, which is when India adopted its constitution). On Republic Day, India observes the president furl India's national flag from the Red Fort, so seeing these events unfold, especially seeing a flag other than the Indian flag at Red Fort on Republic Day, were of very big symbolic value.
- davchana 6y ago
  Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party RSS has never flown that flag ever in their premises, events even in 52 years since 1947. & Bumtw, Tiranga was never touched.
  - eklavya 6y ago
    What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?
    - xrisk 6y ago
      He's talking about the fact that the RSS did not raise the Indian flag till about 2002. And that their historical opposition to the flag is well documented.
    - davchana 6y ago
      No, I want to see RSS every year as much as a True Indian want to see Pakistan Independence Day parade. Never. RSS did not hoist Tiranga till 2002. Don't you know or you conveniently ignore?
      - eklavya 6y ago
        Wow, that seems to be correct. I wonder why they would do that. In my childhood I went to an RSS school and we used to hoist the national flag all the time. Strange.
        intended 6y ago
        The RSS does not want India, they want Bharat, they are for a Hindu nation. This isn't even a hidden fact, but in every basic dossier on India.
        eklavya 6y ago
        Where Hindu is a nationality/culture and not a religion. India is a name given by slavers. Bharat is a very very old concept.
        intended 6y ago
        That lovely linguistic sleight of hand means that people called a region bharat. By the criteria how come Sri Lanka is not included? Or how do you reconcile the 7 sisters being part of that? For that matter the word Europe exists - are you arguing that states should act like nations a la the EU?
        6y ago
  - sbmthakur 6y ago
    Even if those true doesn't permit anyone to trespass RedFort and do as per their will.
    - davchana 6y ago
      Yes, agreed, & thats why 100s of Sikhs are now in Jails around Red Fort, without any access to Lawyer or Phone Calls. But Modi Bhakats are tweeting all the way Missing Indira Mummy. They also want to burn Sikhs just like any power hungry party, be it 1984 like Congress, 2002 like Godhra.
      - eklavya 6y ago
        Modi bhakts would be on the side of sikhs surely. Sikh community is the reason Hinduism survives in large parts of India. The people you are calling “sikhs” were throwing policemen off heights. Do they get to kill without impunity? What are you defending here exactly?
        davchana 6y ago
        Please read again. I said, that violence is the reason 100s of people are in delhi jail now (guilty or not). & Please read again. Modi Bhakats are wishing the 1984 style sikh killings, same as their Mother india's murder started. They are not on sides of Sikh, or Muslim, or even Indian. They want India to be a piss drinker's Hindu Rashtar. I am defending & one of those group, who want India, its government & operating body free of any religious bigots, any extremists (any belief), any supremacists.
        eklavya 6y ago
        Sources, sources and not your disgustingly twisted propaganda. Who is wishing Sikh killings? God stop it.
        davchana 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/Razi4all/status/1354054590958862336?s=19 https://twitter.com/Razi4all/status/1354054590958862336?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nitesh_singh773/status/1354077444454539264?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nitesh_singh773/status/13540774444545392... https://twitter.com/VinayDi61732460/status/1355369455803576326?s=19 https://twitter.com/VinayDi61732460/status/13553694558035763... https://twitter.com/IAmGMishra/status/1353985125550223361?s=19 https://twitter.com/IAmGMishra/status/1353985125550223361?s=... https://twitter.com/jyotimishra2476/status/1353993489135017986?s=19 https://twitter.com/jyotimishra2476/status/13539934891350179... You Modi Godi Bhakats are wishing to teach Sikhs a lesson, by repeating 1984 & Godhra, burning & teaching lesson. I thought you are on HN, most probably not being paid Rs 2 by BJP per post. These tweet links are only by one search on Twitter Indira Gandhi. & Many of these have photos of Modi, Savarkar & such. You stop just repeating what Dalal media is feeding you, Fox news equivalent from India. & Stop conveniently not answering my points, but twisting & gas lighting. All I wish is Modi dictator goes away back to Gujrat if they want, people vote him out. Anybody who thinks about people, is not extremist, not lier, not fake, should be voted in. Not rahul gandi, not Kamal nath.
dragonsh 6y ago
This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riots were used again to suppress a year of peaceful protests. Than again during university protests in New Delhi. Here again students were attacked inside the university, police beat and shot university students. Still even one person from ruling party who participated in violence or a cop who shot is to be prosecuted. On the other hand most of those opposing are being charged with terrorist charges. India to really progress out of poverty needs to first learn to respect its diversity and be united. Current administrations and ruling party’s policy has taken India on a downhill path of economic disaster, lower HDI, more poverty and more hunger. United Nations data and research don’t lie, India constantly slipped compared to its neighbours like Bangladesh on this index. So probably it will be better instead of hardline approach things change in India, otherwise it will be too late for a divided country to progress forward. It might on the other hand will move towards authoritarian dictatorship very quickly. India needs to come out of tyranny of majority and authoritarian mindset of current government for a change. I hope this same story and violence does not repeat in Bengal, where already violence is being promoted to unseat local government which does not believe in Hindu supremacy like the central government. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil...
- miohtama 6y ago
  India is objectively moving towards authoritarian dictatorship on many metrics: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/11/28/narendra-modi-threatens-to-turn-india-into-a-one-party-state https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/11/28/narendra-modi-... (And quickly)
  - srean 6y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0 A nice documentary. Its a little long though. Fair warning, it needs a strong (metaphorical) stomach if one cares about these issues.
davchana 6y ago
Yes, but those are selective video shots. Many videos on tiktok & whatsapp show where Reporters are telling their cameraman, Dont Show that, when camera goes towards Police slashing the tyres, throwing the flag at ground, & attacking 1 protester by 4+ Cop goons.
- eklavya 6y ago
  Yeah, police will control a rioting mob anyway they can. Maybe don’t brandish swords, try to run over public and police and attack people in your peaceful protest?
  - davchana 6y ago
    The Godi media you are watching does not show the Delhi police trampling over Tiranga, slashing tires, shooting tear gas over a distance of less than 20 feet, blocking the route agreed upon.
    - eklavya 6y ago
      So the police should make sure not to trample on tiranga while controlling a rioting mob? Shooting tear gas is worse than shooting bullets? Let’s not get into what was agreed upon. For that just look at the list of broken promises provided by the police and it’s crystal clear what these people wanted to achieve.
      - davchana 6y ago
        Pulling a tiranga from tractor, & rolling it, & then trampling it over while nothing else is going on, is I think bad. Police Brutality, as a scare tactic will always fire back on dictator's face.
    - boruto 6y ago
      Can you show me a video of slashing tires?
19f191ty 6y ago
More information has come out linking the violent folks to the ruling party. The farmers have said it's not their people. Indeed the leader of the group that entered Red Fort is a known BJP. There's a video of him running away when accosted by the farmers. It's such a mess.
- ngc248 6y ago
  Damn man the level of misinformation you guys are feeding in is at the next level. So which is it, the people who where rioting were actual farmers, sikhs or from BJP? In the same thread you guys are listing out all possible combinations. In India there are Farmer organizations, labour organizations etc of all parties. The current agitation is by farmer orgs belonging to opposition parties. This is just politics nothing else.
  - srean 6y ago
    The trick of discrediting a popular protest by putting your own hooligans to do something abhorrent is as old as the woods. That is what happened.
    - ngc248 6y ago
      It can also be a double bluff, doing it and if it backfires say it is the opposing party's hooligans.
  - 19f191ty 6y ago
    When the media fails to do its job then the people have to do it for them. Of course there will be condtradictory information coming in because the media has completely failed to provide a source of credible information. I'm not throwing out misinformation, but merely pointing out information that the OP missed and is available in reputable sources. There is A LOT of video evidence that points to BJP stooges inciting violence. The guy who hoisted the flag on Red Fort, Deep Siddhu is a known BJP supporter. Times of India , Indian Express, The Wire have all reported on this. Heck even Aj Tak had video where the BJP stooges are throwing stones at the protestors while an entire police battalion stands behind them doing nothing.

alex_smart 6y ago

There is plenty of propaganda floating around from both sides. If you dislike muddy waters, I would recommend staying out of Indian politics. It is a clusterfuck. To add to your top comment, these events - protestors attacking police personnel and protestors raiding Red Fort and raising their own flags - happened on republic day, which is like a mini 4th of July for India (we have two: 15th August, which is when India became independent and 26th January, which is when India adopted its constitution). On Republic Day, India observes the president furl India's national flag from the Red Fort, so seeing these events unfold, especially seeing a flag other than the Indian flag at Red Fort on Republic Day, were of very big symbolic value.

davchana 6y ago
Own flags, which Indian Army encourages, allows, & make a new recruit to Swore upon when recruited. Same flag is the flag of that Regiment, saluted by Prime Ministrr on every Jan 26 parade on Punjab state's vehicle (jhaanki, kind of vehicle is converted & decorated with things showing culture,). Same modi, whose Delhi Police tramples the Tiranga, whose party flies the Tiranga lower than party flag, whose mother party RSS has never flown that flag ever in their premises, events even in 52 years since 1947. & Bumtw, Tiranga was never touched.
- eklavya 6y ago
  What are you talking about? Didn’t you see the national flag hoisting event in RSS headquarters live on the news like every year?
  - xrisk 6y ago
    He's talking about the fact that the RSS did not raise the Indian flag till about 2002. And that their historical opposition to the flag is well documented.
  - davchana 6y ago
    No, I want to see RSS every year as much as a True Indian want to see Pakistan Independence Day parade. Never. RSS did not hoist Tiranga till 2002. Don't you know or you conveniently ignore?
    - eklavya 6y ago
      Wow, that seems to be correct. I wonder why they would do that. In my childhood I went to an RSS school and we used to hoist the national flag all the time. Strange.
      - intended 6y ago
        The RSS does not want India, they want Bharat, they are for a Hindu nation. This isn't even a hidden fact, but in every basic dossier on India.
        eklavya 6y ago
        Where Hindu is a nationality/culture and not a religion. India is a name given by slavers. Bharat is a very very old concept.
        intended 6y ago
        That lovely linguistic sleight of hand means that people called a region bharat. By the criteria how come Sri Lanka is not included? Or how do you reconcile the 7 sisters being part of that? For that matter the word Europe exists - are you arguing that states should act like nations a la the EU?
        6y ago
- sbmthakur 6y ago
  Even if those true doesn't permit anyone to trespass RedFort and do as per their will.
  - davchana 6y ago
    Yes, agreed, & thats why 100s of Sikhs are now in Jails around Red Fort, without any access to Lawyer or Phone Calls. But Modi Bhakats are tweeting all the way Missing Indira Mummy. They also want to burn Sikhs just like any power hungry party, be it 1984 like Congress, 2002 like Godhra.
    - eklavya 6y ago
      Modi bhakts would be on the side of sikhs surely. Sikh community is the reason Hinduism survives in large parts of India. The people you are calling “sikhs” were throwing policemen off heights. Do they get to kill without impunity? What are you defending here exactly?
      - davchana 6y ago
        Please read again. I said, that violence is the reason 100s of people are in delhi jail now (guilty or not). & Please read again. Modi Bhakats are wishing the 1984 style sikh killings, same as their Mother india's murder started. They are not on sides of Sikh, or Muslim, or even Indian. They want India to be a piss drinker's Hindu Rashtar. I am defending & one of those group, who want India, its government & operating body free of any religious bigots, any extremists (any belief), any supremacists.
        eklavya 6y ago
        Sources, sources and not your disgustingly twisted propaganda. Who is wishing Sikh killings? God stop it.
        davchana 6y ago
        https://twitter.com/Razi4all/status/1354054590958862336?s=19 https://twitter.com/Razi4all/status/1354054590958862336?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nitesh_singh773/status/1354077444454539264?s=19 https://twitter.com/Nitesh_singh773/status/13540774444545392... https://twitter.com/VinayDi61732460/status/1355369455803576326?s=19 https://twitter.com/VinayDi61732460/status/13553694558035763... https://twitter.com/IAmGMishra/status/1353985125550223361?s=19 https://twitter.com/IAmGMishra/status/1353985125550223361?s=... https://twitter.com/jyotimishra2476/status/1353993489135017986?s=19 https://twitter.com/jyotimishra2476/status/13539934891350179... You Modi Godi Bhakats are wishing to teach Sikhs a lesson, by repeating 1984 & Godhra, burning & teaching lesson. I thought you are on HN, most probably not being paid Rs 2 by BJP per post. These tweet links are only by one search on Twitter Indira Gandhi. & Many of these have photos of Modi, Savarkar & such. You stop just repeating what Dalal media is feeding you, Fox news equivalent from India. & Stop conveniently not answering my points, but twisting & gas lighting. All I wish is Modi dictator goes away back to Gujrat if they want, people vote him out. Anybody who thinks about people, is not extremist, not lier, not fake, should be voted in. Not rahul gandi, not Kamal nath.

dragonsh 6y ago

This has been shown again and again by current administration and ruling party in India that power and ideology of pure Hindu state is more important than lives and livelihood. On a grand display in 2002 incident in a province in India [1], please read the whole NYT article, before commenting on it. Later on at display in Kashmir. Subsequently during national register and citizenship act protests where religious riots were used again to suppress a year of peaceful protests. Than again during university protests in New Delhi. Here again students were attacked inside the university, police beat and shot university students. Still even one person from ruling party who participated in violence or a cop who shot is to be prosecuted. On the other hand most of those opposing are being charged with terrorist charges. India to really progress out of poverty needs to first learn to respect its diversity and be united. Current administrations and ruling party’s policy has taken India on a downhill path of economic disaster, lower HDI, more poverty and more hunger. United Nations data and research don’t lie, India constantly slipped compared to its neighbours like Bangladesh on this index. So probably it will be better instead of hardline approach things change in India, otherwise it will be too late for a divided country to progress forward. It might on the other hand will move towards authoritarian dictatorship very quickly. India needs to come out of tyranny of majority and authoritarian mindset of current government for a change. I hope this same story and violence does not repeat in Bengal, where already violence is being promoted to unseat local government which does not believe in Hindu supremacy like the central government. [1] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil...

miohtama 6y ago
India is objectively moving towards authoritarian dictatorship on many metrics: https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/11/28/narendra-modi-threatens-to-turn-india-into-a-one-party-state https://www.economist.com/briefing/2020/11/28/narendra-modi-... (And quickly)
- srean 6y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5VsGdPHsz0 A nice documentary. Its a little long though. Fair warning, it needs a strong (metaphorical) stomach if one cares about these issues.

davchana 6y ago

Yes, but those are selective video shots. Many videos on tiktok & whatsapp show where Reporters are telling their cameraman, Dont Show that, when camera goes towards Police slashing the tyres, throwing the flag at ground, & attacking 1 protester by 4+ Cop goons.

eklavya 6y ago
Yeah, police will control a rioting mob anyway they can. Maybe don’t brandish swords, try to run over public and police and attack people in your peaceful protest?
- davchana 6y ago
  The Godi media you are watching does not show the Delhi police trampling over Tiranga, slashing tires, shooting tear gas over a distance of less than 20 feet, blocking the route agreed upon.
  - eklavya 6y ago
    So the police should make sure not to trample on tiranga while controlling a rioting mob? Shooting tear gas is worse than shooting bullets? Let’s not get into what was agreed upon. For that just look at the list of broken promises provided by the police and it’s crystal clear what these people wanted to achieve.
    - davchana 6y ago
      Pulling a tiranga from tractor, & rolling it, & then trampling it over while nothing else is going on, is I think bad. Police Brutality, as a scare tactic will always fire back on dictator's face.
  - boruto 6y ago
    Can you show me a video of slashing tires?

19f191ty 6y ago

More information has come out linking the violent folks to the ruling party. The farmers have said it's not their people. Indeed the leader of the group that entered Red Fort is a known BJP. There's a video of him running away when accosted by the farmers. It's such a mess.

ngc248 6y ago
Damn man the level of misinformation you guys are feeding in is at the next level. So which is it, the people who where rioting were actual farmers, sikhs or from BJP? In the same thread you guys are listing out all possible combinations. In India there are Farmer organizations, labour organizations etc of all parties. The current agitation is by farmer orgs belonging to opposition parties. This is just politics nothing else.
- srean 6y ago
  The trick of discrediting a popular protest by putting your own hooligans to do something abhorrent is as old as the woods. That is what happened.
  - ngc248 6y ago
    It can also be a double bluff, doing it and if it backfires say it is the opposing party's hooligans.
- 19f191ty 6y ago
  When the media fails to do its job then the people have to do it for them. Of course there will be condtradictory information coming in because the media has completely failed to provide a source of credible information. I'm not throwing out misinformation, but merely pointing out information that the OP missed and is available in reputable sources. There is A LOT of video evidence that points to BJP stooges inciting violence. The guy who hoisted the flag on Red Fort, Deep Siddhu is a known BJP supporter. Times of India , Indian Express, The Wire have all reported on this. Heck even Aj Tak had video where the BJP stooges are throwing stones at the protestors while an entire police battalion stands behind them doing nothing.