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So poor people need to exist because otherwise we wouldn't be able to force people to do things we ourselves wouldnt want to do? And if they are not poor they w

So poor people need to exist because otherwise we wouldn't be able to force people to do things we ourselves wouldnt want to do? And if they are not poor they would stop being in awful servitude jobs noone wants? I guess it just sucks to be born poor then, too bad we can't help them

aww_dang 6y ago
At the end of the day most people don't want to work, but the option to be paid for not working isn't available. We all dislike working to some extent. Otherwise we would do it for free, as a hobby. There are some low paid jobs people choose out of passion or interest. There are also bottom rung jobs that beginners with no job skills can enter. Think about people with no language skills, don't they deserve a chance to be productive? Even some of the lowest paid workers take pride in their work. Some of the savoir-esque rhetoric here borders on condescension.
- gtsop 6y ago
  > At the end of the day most people don't want to work [...] We all dislike working to some extent. Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true.
  - antonzabirko 6y ago
    Do you want to work for free then? I understand money is used for supporting yourself, but do you honestly work for free after-hours? Everyone has better things to do than work. Travel the world, make businesses, and spend time with family. You'd rather work?
  - executive 6y ago
    Sir, this is a Wendy's
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    Why not work for free as I suggested above? Why do employers compete for labor by providing incentives?
  - reader_mode 6y ago
    >Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true. Have you ever worked in a factory, on a farm, etc. on bottom level positions ? Most people would take the money and do nothing without blinking. Hell even a bunch of my college friends would skip years of their life playing games and acquiring 0 life experience if someone gave them this option the only thing that forced them to go out in the world was existential need (as demonstrated by two guys I know who are well off and their parents allowed them to do nothing - one guy has 0 days working experience at 30, he was a top tier COD gamer)
    - gtsop 6y ago
      People don't want shitty jobs != people don't want to work Hint: The difference is within "shity" Hint: Jobs don't have to be shity
reader_mode 6y ago
Poor is a loose term. Someone working basic job in a nursing home isn't necessarily poor - in the sense they can afford some standard of living on their income. If you add the option for them to receive 1/2 or even 1/3 of income but have to do nothing - now doing the job they would do previously to avoid poverty would probably take more money to do. And the people who get screwed are the ones who were barely able to afford their services before. Every job I needed to do in my early life sucked and I would do none of them if someone gave me 1/3 of the income and stay at home with my parents and play video games and code for leasure. I would probably never even take that level of job (factory line work, industrial work, farm work, entry level sales shit). Multiply that by a huge fraction of the population and you seriously destabilise the economy. Some jobs can be outsourced (like manufacturing) so it's not that big of a deal - but some jobs like for eg. elderly care, etc. are labor intensive and not easily outsourced. And everyone needs them.

aww_dang 6y ago

At the end of the day most people don't want to work, but the option to be paid for not working isn't available. We all dislike working to some extent. Otherwise we would do it for free, as a hobby. There are some low paid jobs people choose out of passion or interest. There are also bottom rung jobs that beginners with no job skills can enter. Think about people with no language skills, don't they deserve a chance to be productive? Even some of the lowest paid workers take pride in their work. Some of the savoir-esque rhetoric here borders on condescension.

gtsop 6y ago
> At the end of the day most people don't want to work [...] We all dislike working to some extent. Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true.
- antonzabirko 6y ago
  Do you want to work for free then? I understand money is used for supporting yourself, but do you honestly work for free after-hours? Everyone has better things to do than work. Travel the world, make businesses, and spend time with family. You'd rather work?
- executive 6y ago
  Sir, this is a Wendy's
- aww_dang 6y ago
  Why not work for free as I suggested above? Why do employers compete for labor by providing incentives?
- reader_mode 6y ago
  >Where did you get that from? I really think the opposite is true. Have you ever worked in a factory, on a farm, etc. on bottom level positions ? Most people would take the money and do nothing without blinking. Hell even a bunch of my college friends would skip years of their life playing games and acquiring 0 life experience if someone gave them this option the only thing that forced them to go out in the world was existential need (as demonstrated by two guys I know who are well off and their parents allowed them to do nothing - one guy has 0 days working experience at 30, he was a top tier COD gamer)
  - gtsop 6y ago
    People don't want shitty jobs != people don't want to work Hint: The difference is within "shity" Hint: Jobs don't have to be shity

reader_mode 6y ago

Poor is a loose term. Someone working basic job in a nursing home isn't necessarily poor - in the sense they can afford some standard of living on their income. If you add the option for them to receive 1/2 or even 1/3 of income but have to do nothing - now doing the job they would do previously to avoid poverty would probably take more money to do. And the people who get screwed are the ones who were barely able to afford their services before. Every job I needed to do in my early life sucked and I would do none of them if someone gave me 1/3 of the income and stay at home with my parents and play video games and code for leasure. I would probably never even take that level of job (factory line work, industrial work, farm work, entry level sales shit). Multiply that by a huge fraction of the population and you seriously destabilise the economy. Some jobs can be outsourced (like manufacturing) so it's not that big of a deal - but some jobs like for eg. elderly care, etc. are labor intensive and not easily outsourced. And everyone needs them.