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> [0] For example (and this is just one example), I remember last year stories about how covid-19 victims were going into mass graves in New York City. And whil
by weaksauce 6y ago
> [0] For example (and this is just one example), I remember last year stories about how covid-19 victims were going into mass graves in New York City. And while that was a true and an objective fact, important context was left out. The context that was missing was that they were being buried on Hart Island, which is literally a mass grave site designated for unidentifiable persons dying of any cause, not just covid. But if you leave that part out it seems like the bodies are piling up so fast and so high the authorities had no choice but to dump the corpses in mass graves. Whereas in truth only unidentifiable/unclaimed covid victims were buried on Hart Island, and the same fate happens to any of NYC's homeless when they die for any reason and nobody claims the body.
Except even your "objective fact" lacks the context.
Hart island is and was a mass grave for unidentified/unclaimed bodies... however the number of dead going to that island was way way higher than years before during normal times. Hell even in october of last year at a time where the virus was more under control there was still 4 times(360 vs 90) the number normally going to that island. the number buried there through october was over 2 times the total buried there from the previous year with two more months to go in the year.
even people who discount covid as a bad, made up thing also can't escape the fact that the year is far more deadly from deaths of any cause than prior years:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
So either people are dying from something else at an alarming rate that defies predictions or covid is something worth taking seriously(also, the fact that death is not the only outcome and there are people with serious long term negative effects).
- umvi 6y agoI ended up deleting that example because I knew someone was going to quibble about it. More people were buried on Hart Island in 2020 than previous years but more people were buried everywhere in 2020. That doesn't change the fact that Hart Island existed pre-covid and will continue to exist post-covid and that the "mass graves" stories were based on carefully selected out-of-context facts in order to paint covid in a deadlier light.
- weaksauce 6y agoFair enough i didn't notice that you deleted that. > That doesn't change the fact that Hart Island existed pre-covid and will continue to exist post-covid sure. i don't take issue with that. it was just one of many reports on the anomaly events like the refrigerator morgues and other events. Fact of the matter this disease is very deadly and the articles of the time show it. here's articles from both sides of the aisle during that time period: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/us/hart-island-coronavirus-burials/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/11/us/hart-island-coronavirus-bu... https://www.foxnews.com/us/aerial-images-new-york-hart-island-burials-coronavirus https://www.foxnews.com/us/aerial-images-new-york-hart-islan... Both show proper context and highlight how different the burials were. (neither of them are AP stories) fox notes that burials went from one day a week to five days a week. both offer the history of the island and what it's normally used for. I see a fair article from both of those ideologically opposed orgs.
- orzig 6y agoAnd, while I don't debate the premise of the OP's article, the big redeeming virtue of objective facts is that we can dig into them - exactly like we're doing here.