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Can anyone at all become a citizen of the persian countries? No, because they care about preserving their political system and way of life- a bit like Japan W

by 1996 6y ago

Can anyone at all become a citizen of the persian countries? No, because they care about preserving their political system and way of life- a bit like Japan We may disagree, but it's their country. And people who don't like it can always leave (yes, I have heard the stories about passports being taken, I'd call that enforcing the contract for the initial term period, and it's not like consulates don't exist)

AlotOfReading 6y ago
You can't preemptively "enforce a contract" by denying someone their basic human rights. Can you explain the ethical system that could possibly lead you to believe otherwise?
- michaelmrose 6y ago
  I'll take libertarian fantasies safely incubated in a society that won't allow the worst abuses that their philosophy would lead to unchecked for 500 Alex
danans 6y ago
> Can anyone at all become a citizen of the persian countries? They are not Persian countries. They are Arab countries that lie on the southwest shore of the Persian Gulf. There are huge cultural and linguistic differences between the two, to say nothing of the political differences, both historically and down to current moment. Furthermore, those Arab countries have been trying to change the international standard name of the body of water to "Arabian Gulf" to counter their adversary Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute#:~:text=The%20National%20Geographic%20Society%20uses,to%20this%20body%20of%20water.&text=%22Some%20Arab%20nations%20call%20it,known%20as%20the%20Persian%20Gulf.%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute#:~... > Can anyone at all become a citizen No, unless you are ancestrally connected to the country or it's co-ethnic neighbors, or are a foreign woman who marries an Arab UAE citizen. Some selected naturalization requirements from the UAE's website (https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/passports-and-traveling/uae-nationality https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/passports-and-trave...): - An Arab individual from Omani, Qatari or Bahraini origin - Arab individual who enjoys full legal capacity, has continuously and lawfully resided in the member emirates for at least seven years - Any person, other than those mentioned above, who enjoys full legal capacity if he has continuously and legally resided in the member emirates for a period of no less than 30 years - A foreign woman married to a UAE National may be granted nationality by citizenship after the lapse of seven years As out of touch as this might seem with modernity, remember that the United States had anti-miscegenation laws on the books until 1967, and only opened immigration from non-white countries in 1965. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Ac...
michaelmrose 6y ago
You shouldn't be able to sell yourself into slavery. Putting minimum standards you can't opt out of is the only way to maintain basic right in the face of inevitably growing asymmetry that is the inevitable outcome of even a small amount of initial inequality. Having a slightly higher share of current resources makes it possible to tilt the board to obtain a larger share of future resources until an increasingly small portion owns more and more. Ultimately slavery would be the alternative for starvation.
khuey 6y ago
So it's not really anything like the indentured servitude in the American colonies then.

by 1996 6y ago

AlotOfReading 6y ago

You can't preemptively "enforce a contract" by denying someone their basic human rights. Can you explain the ethical system that could possibly lead you to believe otherwise?

michaelmrose 6y ago
I'll take libertarian fantasies safely incubated in a society that won't allow the worst abuses that their philosophy would lead to unchecked for 500 Alex

danans 6y ago

> Can anyone at all become a citizen of the persian countries? They are not Persian countries. They are Arab countries that lie on the southwest shore of the Persian Gulf. There are huge cultural and linguistic differences between the two, to say nothing of the political differences, both historically and down to current moment. Furthermore, those Arab countries have been trying to change the international standard name of the body of water to "Arabian Gulf" to counter their adversary Iran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute#:~:text=The%20National%20Geographic%20Society%20uses,to%20this%20body%20of%20water.&text=%22Some%20Arab%20nations%20call%20it,known%20as%20the%20Persian%20Gulf.%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute#:~... > Can anyone at all become a citizen No, unless you are ancestrally connected to the country or it's co-ethnic neighbors, or are a foreign woman who marries an Arab UAE citizen. Some selected naturalization requirements from the UAE's website (https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/passports-and-traveling/uae-nationality https://u.ae/en/information-and-services/passports-and-trave...): - An Arab individual from Omani, Qatari or Bahraini origin - Arab individual who enjoys full legal capacity, has continuously and lawfully resided in the member emirates for at least seven years - Any person, other than those mentioned above, who enjoys full legal capacity if he has continuously and legally resided in the member emirates for a period of no less than 30 years - A foreign woman married to a UAE National may be granted nationality by citizenship after the lapse of seven years As out of touch as this might seem with modernity, remember that the United States had anti-miscegenation laws on the books until 1967, and only opened immigration from non-white countries in 1965. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Ac...

michaelmrose 6y ago

You shouldn't be able to sell yourself into slavery. Putting minimum standards you can't opt out of is the only way to maintain basic right in the face of inevitably growing asymmetry that is the inevitable outcome of even a small amount of initial inequality. Having a slightly higher share of current resources makes it possible to tilt the board to obtain a larger share of future resources until an increasingly small portion owns more and more. Ultimately slavery would be the alternative for starvation.

khuey 6y ago

So it's not really anything like the indentured servitude in the American colonies then.