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Black Lives Matter Movement Nominated for 2021 Nobel Peace Prize

17 points by samizdis 6y ago

disambiguation 6y ago
trump, putin, hitler, and stalin were all nominated for peace prizes at some point see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Peac...
- fortytwo79 6y ago
  Trump was nominated because he brought more middle east leaders to the table for peace than any president in recent memory. Stalin and Hitler murdered gajillions. So, what's your point? If it's that Trump did things not considered peaceful, despite the peace inducing actions, then why not call out Obama for the drone bombing of Anwar Al-Awlaki, a US citizen? And Obama GOT a peace prize. To be clear - my point is not to endorse the Trump peace prize nomination, or even to make this a Trump vs Obama debate. My only gripe here is this constant inclusion of Trump as a villain, of Hitler caliber. It's not a generally accepted premise, so let's stop using it as one.
zarkov99 6y ago
The world has lost its collective mind.
throwaway3699 6y ago
BLM is neutral at best. I do think the cause is sound but it really attracted bad people who took advantage and destroy things over the summer. > He dismissed criticism that BLM is violent, citing data that shows 93% of Black Lives Matter demonstrations do not cause serious harm to people or property. That also means at least 7% of demonstrations did... cities were burning for months. There's even a video of a BLM protester outright executing a Trump supporter in the street.
- pixxel 6y ago
  > neutral at best BLM has a convicted terrorist in charge of fundraising and does “administrative work”. > As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter global network https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    The actual organisation is extremely toxic, I don't disagree. As a social movement I think it exposes a real problem but did it in an awful way. My prediction is we won't see much of them until 2024.
    - pixxel 6y ago
      >My prediction is we won't see much of them until 2024 Indeed. A Google Trends search of "black lives matter" shows a clear spike in 2016, then flat until 2020. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...
  - bnix 6y ago
    Lmao yeah like all the terrorists that stormed the capitol. Given this logic, we should charge all ppl with guns and other stock piles who wave confederate flags as potential terrorists who want to overthrow the government too? At least her cause seemed legit (racism). Also she is reformed now? Still a terrorist though I guess, just like all those neo-nazis who are "reformed". Edit: I realize I'm being biased here, but trying to point out your own (strawman) bias lol.
- ykevinator 6y ago
  George floyd is dead, dead is worse
- bnix 6y ago
  All protests can attract bad actors that take advantage of the emotion and pain. This is honestly a non-sequitur argument unless you apply it to the "other side" as well.
benjohnson 6y ago
Nobel "mostly peaceful" Prize
- 0-_-0 6y ago
  Eric Weinstein called it: https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1355298640596586498 https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/135529864059658649...
underseacables 6y ago
Note that many people have been nominated, even Hitler, but curiously when the committee was in the perfect position to recognize Ghandi, they declined to nominate anyone, stating that that “there was no suitable living candidate”. IMO the Nobel committee has zero credibility. https://qz.com/803976/adolf-hitler-was-nominated-for-the-nobel-peace-prize-in-a-darkly-ironic-letter-by-erik-gottfrid-christian-brandt/ https://qz.com/803976/adolf-hitler-was-nominated-for-the-nob...
- walkedaway 6y ago
  Woah, I had to look that up. Nominated 12 times, never won. Jaw dropping. https://www.eastcoastdaily.in/2020/11/19/why-was-mahatma-gandhi-not-awarded-the-nobel-peace-prize.html https://www.eastcoastdaily.in/2020/11/19/why-was-mahatma-gan...
throwarayes 6y ago
Good for them. Though I worry about the wasted potential of recent BLM protests. As soon as there began to be consensus about police violence and a need for reform, activists pivoted to a “defund the police” message. Whatever policy merits this might have, it created a missed opportunity to reform qualified immunity. The conversation pivoted from focus on real police violence to canceling anyone offering constructive critique of the movement (like David Shor). So instead of having an ongoing conversation about police violence, activists are caught in a purity spiral to weed out dissent that won’t solve any problems.
happytoexplain 6y ago
Remember that being nominated doesn't mean much, so don't start the political lamentations just yet. A Norwegian MP nominated BLM. Another Norwegian MP nominated Trump. (I'm not saying they won't win, I'm just suggesting that we try to avoid the angry sarcasm until they do.)
- CrazyPyroLinux 6y ago
  I mean heck, even Obama got one.
pieter_mj 6y ago
Like I said a few months ago, Scihub's Alexandra Elbakyan should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. She leads a magnificent effort in democratizing, disincentivizing and decentralizing science, opening up untold possibilities for everyone around the world. Bill Gates the billionaire philanthropist who has all the tools in hand to do the same, is just too damn greedy and too damn stupid to realize that liberating science presents the biggest opportunity for humanity in history.
neilsense 6y ago
I'm sure the owners of thousands of business premises destroyed by BLM will sleep well at night knowing the worlds most useless prize is being awarded to BLM.
ykevinator 6y ago
Cue the fox news denialism in 3...
bnix 6y ago
Wow how many HN users went straight to hyperbolic comparisons to the worst people in history and conflating protests with conceptual activism. Call the kettle black though eh. PS: BLM manifesto was legit. Any of you actually read it?

17 points by samizdis 6y ago

trump, putin, hitler, and stalin were all nominated for peace prizes at some point see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Peace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies#Peac...

fortytwo79 6y ago
Trump was nominated because he brought more middle east leaders to the table for peace than any president in recent memory. Stalin and Hitler murdered gajillions. So, what's your point? If it's that Trump did things not considered peaceful, despite the peace inducing actions, then why not call out Obama for the drone bombing of Anwar Al-Awlaki, a US citizen? And Obama GOT a peace prize. To be clear - my point is not to endorse the Trump peace prize nomination, or even to make this a Trump vs Obama debate. My only gripe here is this constant inclusion of Trump as a villain, of Hitler caliber. It's not a generally accepted premise, so let's stop using it as one.

zarkov99 6y ago

The world has lost its collective mind.

throwaway3699 6y ago

BLM is neutral at best. I do think the cause is sound but it really attracted bad people who took advantage and destroy things over the summer. > He dismissed criticism that BLM is violent, citing data that shows 93% of Black Lives Matter demonstrations do not cause serious harm to people or property. That also means at least 7% of demonstrations did... cities were burning for months. There's even a video of a BLM protester outright executing a Trump supporter in the street.

pixxel 6y ago
> neutral at best BLM has a convicted terrorist in charge of fundraising and does “administrative work”. > As of 2020, Rosenberg serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a non-profit foundation that sponsors the fundraising and does administrative work for the Black Lives Matter global network https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  The actual organisation is extremely toxic, I don't disagree. As a social movement I think it exposes a real problem but did it in an awful way. My prediction is we won't see much of them until 2024.
  - pixxel 6y ago
    >My prediction is we won't see much of them until 2024 Indeed. A Google Trends search of "black lives matter" shows a clear spike in 2016, then flat until 2020. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&geo=US&q=black%20lives%20matter https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&ge...
- bnix 6y ago
  Lmao yeah like all the terrorists that stormed the capitol. Given this logic, we should charge all ppl with guns and other stock piles who wave confederate flags as potential terrorists who want to overthrow the government too? At least her cause seemed legit (racism). Also she is reformed now? Still a terrorist though I guess, just like all those neo-nazis who are "reformed". Edit: I realize I'm being biased here, but trying to point out your own (strawman) bias lol.
ykevinator 6y ago
George floyd is dead, dead is worse
bnix 6y ago
All protests can attract bad actors that take advantage of the emotion and pain. This is honestly a non-sequitur argument unless you apply it to the "other side" as well.

benjohnson 6y ago

Nobel "mostly peaceful" Prize

0-_-0 6y ago
Eric Weinstein called it: https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/1355298640596586498 https://twitter.com/EricRWeinstein/status/135529864059658649...

underseacables 6y ago

Note that many people have been nominated, even Hitler, but curiously when the committee was in the perfect position to recognize Ghandi, they declined to nominate anyone, stating that that “there was no suitable living candidate”. IMO the Nobel committee has zero credibility. https://qz.com/803976/adolf-hitler-was-nominated-for-the-nobel-peace-prize-in-a-darkly-ironic-letter-by-erik-gottfrid-christian-brandt/ https://qz.com/803976/adolf-hitler-was-nominated-for-the-nob...

walkedaway 6y ago
Woah, I had to look that up. Nominated 12 times, never won. Jaw dropping. https://www.eastcoastdaily.in/2020/11/19/why-was-mahatma-gandhi-not-awarded-the-nobel-peace-prize.html https://www.eastcoastdaily.in/2020/11/19/why-was-mahatma-gan...

throwarayes 6y ago

Good for them. Though I worry about the wasted potential of recent BLM protests. As soon as there began to be consensus about police violence and a need for reform, activists pivoted to a “defund the police” message. Whatever policy merits this might have, it created a missed opportunity to reform qualified immunity. The conversation pivoted from focus on real police violence to canceling anyone offering constructive critique of the movement (like David Shor). So instead of having an ongoing conversation about police violence, activists are caught in a purity spiral to weed out dissent that won’t solve any problems.

happytoexplain 6y ago

Remember that being nominated doesn't mean much, so don't start the political lamentations just yet. A Norwegian MP nominated BLM. Another Norwegian MP nominated Trump. (I'm not saying they won't win, I'm just suggesting that we try to avoid the angry sarcasm until they do.)

CrazyPyroLinux 6y ago
I mean heck, even Obama got one.

pieter_mj 6y ago

Like I said a few months ago, Scihub's Alexandra Elbakyan should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. She leads a magnificent effort in democratizing, disincentivizing and decentralizing science, opening up untold possibilities for everyone around the world. Bill Gates the billionaire philanthropist who has all the tools in hand to do the same, is just too damn greedy and too damn stupid to realize that liberating science presents the biggest opportunity for humanity in history.

neilsense 6y ago

I'm sure the owners of thousands of business premises destroyed by BLM will sleep well at night knowing the worlds most useless prize is being awarded to BLM.

ykevinator 6y ago

Cue the fox news denialism in 3...

bnix 6y ago

Wow how many HN users went straight to hyperbolic comparisons to the worst people in history and conflating protests with conceptual activism. Call the kettle black though eh. PS: BLM manifesto was legit. Any of you actually read it?