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It was about Israel. 9m population. The article uses Israel as the prime example. There are multiple sources for the deal they made, here is one: https://www.

It was about Israel. 9m population. The article uses Israel as the prime example. There are multiple sources for the deal they made, here is one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-privacy/2021/01/27/b9773c80-5f4d-11eb-a177-7765f29a9524_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israel-pfiz...

oli5679 6y ago
Your article is blocked for me because I'm not a subscriber. I read this one, and Pfizer use of Israel medical data seems reasonable to me although worth being cautious about this type of thing. There are other examples (UK, US, UAE) that are not taking this data sharing approach and it didn't hinder the process. This doesn't seem too related to EU vaccine woes to me. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-what-medical-data-is-israel-sharing-with-pfizer-and-is-it-protected-1.9480691 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news...
- HugoDaniel 6y ago
  Here is the title of the article you couldn't read: "Israel moves to head of vaccine queue, offering Pfizer access to country’s health-care database" Guess who stayed bellow on the vaccine queue?
  - oli5679 6y ago
    From the press reporting it seems that the EU was the source of delay. UK and US had no data sharing. The Israeli data sharing is because both parties want more granular information on the vaccine's effictiveness over time and by age and other health demographics. It has nothing to do with the speed at which the delivery was agreed, as evidenced by the numerous other agreements signed without such programs with US and UK. "Meanwhile, the Commission’s negotiations with producers of mRNA vaccines were dragging on. COVID-19 didn’t just lend urgency to the negotiations: Talks were held virtually, adding an intangible complication. Austria’s Clemens Martin Auer, the chair of the member country steering board for the negotiations, remarked in late August that he had still never actually met Gallina in person — though he was by then a committed fan. Talks with American companies, especially Pfizer and Moderna, proved especially thorny: Both reopened aspects of the contracts that had already been determined when the companies, in the view of the Commission official close to the negotiations, thought they had a bit more leverage." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/europe-...
  - pavelrub 6y ago
    You should stop spreading misinformation. The agreement Israel signed doesn't allow Pfizer any access to the "country's health-care database". That's complete nonsense. Nor is there anything even remotely "shady" or "undemocratic" about it. Israel will provide Pfizer daily aggregate data that contains no identifiable health information (as defined by the Israeli Patient’s Rights Law), or any data that may result in the identification of individuals. The signed agreement is publicly available, is under the oversight of Israel's Helsinki committee, and is in full compliance with Israeli law. Any citizen who believes their rights are being infringed upon, can petition to the Supreme Court of Israel. The reason Israel was able to reach such an agreement, and the EU wasn't, is because Israel, given enough vaccines, will be able to vaccinate its entire adult population by the end of March, whereas the EU isn't even close to having such capacity, regardless of vaccine access.

oli5679 6y ago

Your article is blocked for me because I'm not a subscriber. I read this one, and Pfizer use of Israel medical data seems reasonable to me although worth being cautious about this type of thing. There are other examples (UK, US, UAE) that are not taking this data sharing approach and it didn't hinder the process. This doesn't seem too related to EU vaccine woes to me. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium-what-medical-data-is-israel-sharing-with-pfizer-and-is-it-protected-1.9480691 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news...

HugoDaniel 6y ago
Here is the title of the article you couldn't read: "Israel moves to head of vaccine queue, offering Pfizer access to country’s health-care database" Guess who stayed bellow on the vaccine queue?
- oli5679 6y ago
  From the press reporting it seems that the EU was the source of delay. UK and US had no data sharing. The Israeli data sharing is because both parties want more granular information on the vaccine's effictiveness over time and by age and other health demographics. It has nothing to do with the speed at which the delivery was agreed, as evidenced by the numerous other agreements signed without such programs with US and UK. "Meanwhile, the Commission’s negotiations with producers of mRNA vaccines were dragging on. COVID-19 didn’t just lend urgency to the negotiations: Talks were held virtually, adding an intangible complication. Austria’s Clemens Martin Auer, the chair of the member country steering board for the negotiations, remarked in late August that he had still never actually met Gallina in person — though he was by then a committed fan. Talks with American companies, especially Pfizer and Moderna, proved especially thorny: Both reopened aspects of the contracts that had already been determined when the companies, in the view of the Commission official close to the negotiations, thought they had a bit more leverage." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/europe-coronavirus-vaccine-struggle-pfizer-biontech-astrazeneca/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.eu/article/europe-...
- pavelrub 6y ago
  You should stop spreading misinformation. The agreement Israel signed doesn't allow Pfizer any access to the "country's health-care database". That's complete nonsense. Nor is there anything even remotely "shady" or "undemocratic" about it. Israel will provide Pfizer daily aggregate data that contains no identifiable health information (as defined by the Israeli Patient’s Rights Law), or any data that may result in the identification of individuals. The signed agreement is publicly available, is under the oversight of Israel's Helsinki committee, and is in full compliance with Israeli law. Any citizen who believes their rights are being infringed upon, can petition to the Supreme Court of Israel. The reason Israel was able to reach such an agreement, and the EU wasn't, is because Israel, given enough vaccines, will be able to vaccinate its entire adult population by the end of March, whereas the EU isn't even close to having such capacity, regardless of vaccine access.