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> I fully understand why people want to use Apple for their consuming needs. I really don't understand why my fellow developers choose to go with Apple as their

> I fully understand why people want to use Apple for their consuming needs. I really don't understand why my fellow developers choose to go with Apple as their work machine. I then frequently see they have to fire up VMs/containers to do work that I can do natively. No idea what's the upside for work (dev, coding-heavy). Once we get a Linux laptop with great and fuss free hardware, then developers will continue buying Macbooks. Great app support might be inconsequential for software development but not for quality of life. Programmers are people too. If a programmer who happens to do music production or art as hobby for example, which do you think he would choose, a Macbook or a Linux laptop?

BossingAround 6y ago
> If a programmer who happens to do music production or art as hobby for example, which do you think he would choose, a Macbook or a Linux laptop? Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. In general, I would say that you're getting your work laptop for work. Work-related things should have a priority from hobbies. Having to have a VM for various thing is a strange trade off when you say the upside is producing music as a hobby.
- robenkleene 6y ago
  A better example of useful-to-developers-software-that-isn't-available on Linux would be prototyping and UI design apps like Sketch, Principle, ProtoPie, Framer Desktop, and Origami Sudio. There’s a good list here (https://uxtools.co/tools/prototyping https://uxtools.co/tools/prototyping). I’d also argue that the Adobe Creative Suite is a great grab bag of tools generally useful in communication and digital asset preparation crossing the gamut from bitmap, vector, video, and motion graphics, all of which have uses when working with software, especially user-facing applications.
- justforyou 6y ago
  >> Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. What do you think the chances are of your company actually being able to enforce said clauses?
  - jsjohnst 6y ago
    >> Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. > What do you think the chances are of your company actually being able to enforce said clauses? Moderate to Very high, depending on the jurisdiction you live in. Like I’ve seen it play out multiple times with colleagues even, and one took it to court even and lost.

BossingAround 6y ago

> If a programmer who happens to do music production or art as hobby for example, which do you think he would choose, a Macbook or a Linux laptop? Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. In general, I would say that you're getting your work laptop for work. Work-related things should have a priority from hobbies. Having to have a VM for various thing is a strange trade off when you say the upside is producing music as a hobby.

robenkleene 6y ago
A better example of useful-to-developers-software-that-isn't-available on Linux would be prototyping and UI design apps like Sketch, Principle, ProtoPie, Framer Desktop, and Origami Sudio. There’s a good list here (https://uxtools.co/tools/prototyping https://uxtools.co/tools/prototyping). I’d also argue that the Adobe Creative Suite is a great grab bag of tools generally useful in communication and digital asset preparation crossing the gamut from bitmap, vector, video, and motion graphics, all of which have uses when working with software, especially user-facing applications.
justforyou 6y ago
>> Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. What do you think the chances are of your company actually being able to enforce said clauses?
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  >> Don't the vast majority of companies have clauses in contracts that say whatever you create on your particular work laptop belongs to the company? I certainly have that in my contract. > What do you think the chances are of your company actually being able to enforce said clauses? Moderate to Very high, depending on the jurisdiction you live in. Like I’ve seen it play out multiple times with colleagues even, and one took it to court even and lost.