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F-Droid bans apps for “hate speech” too[1]. Any mastodon app that refused to blacklist Gab got banned from F-Droid or something like that. It is the perfect e

by olah_1 6y ago

F-Droid bans apps for “hate speech” too[1]. Any mastodon app that refused to blacklist Gab got banned from F-Droid or something like that. It is the perfect example of why I don’t even bother with federated projects. It’s just “wouldn’t it be great if _I_ were in charge?” If that’s the situation, I’d rather Big Tech be in charge because at least they have some name recognition and hierarchy for decision making. Nobody cares if pizza-witches wrongfully broke terms. With Twitter at least peoples’ ears perk up. In other words, there’s no rules in the alley. But there are rules in the town square. [1]: https://reclaimthenet.org/f-droid-bans-gab-app/ https://reclaimthenet.org/f-droid-bans-gab-app/

Macha 6y ago
This is mostly untrue. There was no requirement to blacklist gab. Mastodon clients on f-droid are allowed let users use Gab. What f-droid does not allow is apps preconfigured to connect to Gab, or who's primary purpose is to connect to Gab. There was even a petition to have fdroid remove an app (fedilab) that had a blacklist to disallow Gab then removed it, claiming that removing Gab from the blacklist was specifically endorsing it, and there were some people who tried to claiming that not apps that were not blacklisting Gab when other apps did meant those apps primary purpose was to connect to Gab, but f-droid weren't having it: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/1736 https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/1736. However, they did consider an app that was a straight fork tracking another with the only change being the removal of a blacklist to be disallowed.
- Kinrany 6y ago
  Could you rephrase the fourth paragraph?
  - Macha 6y ago
    fedilab was allowed despite removing a blacklist. This was because not having a blacklist was not the app's sole distinction from other mastodon apps (it had a majorly different UI), so its purpose was determined to be more than just accessing Gab. However, some fdroid users asked for its removal. They felt removing the blacklist feature, which had previously only blocked gab, was itself an endorsement of Gab and indicated the app's purpose was to access Gab since the other available mastodon app (Tusky) still had a blacklist. fdroid did not agree and fedilab is still available. OpenTusky was not allowed as it was literally Tusky with the server blacklist removed, created in response to Tusky blocking Gab. It also advertised this in the app description, so fdroid judged it to be primarily for accessing gab and removed it.
- dleslie 6y ago
  So.. They don't ban apps that connect to verboten services, but they do ban apps that acknowledge the existence of verboten services, and apps that remove barriers to verboten services. That's cutting the hair mightily fine.
inshadows 6y ago
App Store is about central authority. F-Droid is about freedom to add whatever repositories you deem useful. It's up to operators of F-Droid-the-repository to decide what they want to host. But it's up to you to add another repository to the list. You say there's no other repository hosting Gab? That is not a problem that can't be dealt with. Unless network operator decide to ban routes, it's just a work (setting up a repository and trust) that needs to be done. EDIT: This is mentality I find hilarious. It's either I can something for free or I can't get it at all. I think freedom in this case is about having something with little expended work.
Zak 6y ago
F-Droid is both a client and a repository. The official F-Droid repository has policies that were clarified in other replies, but it's also important to note that you can add arbitrary repositories and manage software from them with the F-Droid app. The "build your own if you don't like it" answer is often absurdly impractical, but not here. Someone who feels it's important can put up an alternate repo containing clients preconfigured to connect to Gab and even an alternate build of F-Droid preconfigured to use it in an afternoon.

by olah_1 6y ago

Macha 6y ago

This is mostly untrue. There was no requirement to blacklist gab. Mastodon clients on f-droid are allowed let users use Gab. What f-droid does not allow is apps preconfigured to connect to Gab, or who's primary purpose is to connect to Gab. There was even a petition to have fdroid remove an app (fedilab) that had a blacklist to disallow Gab then removed it, claiming that removing Gab from the blacklist was specifically endorsing it, and there were some people who tried to claiming that not apps that were not blacklisting Gab when other apps did meant those apps primary purpose was to connect to Gab, but f-droid weren't having it: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/1736 https://gitlab.com/fdroid/fdroiddata/-/issues/1736. However, they did consider an app that was a straight fork tracking another with the only change being the removal of a blacklist to be disallowed.

Kinrany 6y ago
Could you rephrase the fourth paragraph?
- Macha 6y ago
  fedilab was allowed despite removing a blacklist. This was because not having a blacklist was not the app's sole distinction from other mastodon apps (it had a majorly different UI), so its purpose was determined to be more than just accessing Gab. However, some fdroid users asked for its removal. They felt removing the blacklist feature, which had previously only blocked gab, was itself an endorsement of Gab and indicated the app's purpose was to access Gab since the other available mastodon app (Tusky) still had a blacklist. fdroid did not agree and fedilab is still available. OpenTusky was not allowed as it was literally Tusky with the server blacklist removed, created in response to Tusky blocking Gab. It also advertised this in the app description, so fdroid judged it to be primarily for accessing gab and removed it.
dleslie 6y ago
So.. They don't ban apps that connect to verboten services, but they do ban apps that acknowledge the existence of verboten services, and apps that remove barriers to verboten services. That's cutting the hair mightily fine.

inshadows 6y ago

App Store is about central authority. F-Droid is about freedom to add whatever repositories you deem useful. It's up to operators of F-Droid-the-repository to decide what they want to host. But it's up to you to add another repository to the list. You say there's no other repository hosting Gab? That is not a problem that can't be dealt with. Unless network operator decide to ban routes, it's just a work (setting up a repository and trust) that needs to be done. EDIT: This is mentality I find hilarious. It's either I can something for free or I can't get it at all. I think freedom in this case is about having something with little expended work.

Zak 6y ago

F-Droid is both a client and a repository. The official F-Droid repository has policies that were clarified in other replies, but it's also important to note that you can add arbitrary repositories and manage software from them with the F-Droid app. The "build your own if you don't like it" answer is often absurdly impractical, but not here. Someone who feels it's important can put up an alternate repo containing clients preconfigured to connect to Gab and even an alternate build of F-Droid preconfigured to use it in an afternoon.