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I've been using Linux regularly for 20+ years at this point, since Debian Slink. I've used it on gigantic servers, workstations, laptops, and embedded devices –

I've been using Linux regularly for 20+ years at this point, since Debian Slink. I've used it on gigantic servers, workstations, laptops, and embedded devices – it's wonderful. But my day-to-day development machine is a Mac, and has been for a long time. This was originally because I was both a graphic designer and a developer, and needed access to tools like Photoshop and InDesign while still having a UNIX development environment, and the Mac was great at both of these. This basically still applies – I have access to lots of really well-designed native applications that I use all the time, and a full UNIX development environment that I use every day. I really haven't encountered the issues you talk about in a serious way – the most frequent thing is forgetting that I don't have the GNU version of some CLI tools and need to use different flags. Certainly no encounters with a "weird security system". I have a working development environment, running on nice hardware, that gives me access to everything I want – it's hard to find a reason to make a change to this. I do sometimes come back to working with Linux in a desktop capacity – most recently Ubuntu on a NUC when I shipped my MacBook back for repair. It is broadly fine, but it's still just a bit more irritating. Multiple monitor support was buggy, as was high-DPI support and Bluetooth. No doubt a different distribution and/or some tweaking could resolve these issues and leave me with a development environment that was equivalent to what I already have – but I'd still be missing other tools that I like, not to mention all the niceties of the wider ecosystem. Honestly it's more likely to be the hardware that makes me change. I don't have the same complaints as others do about recent product lines, but I'm definitely one of those people in Apple's market gap in the "high-end-non-workstation-non-integrated-desktop" area. I'd fork quite a lot of money for something like a 16-core desktop machine, but probably not the £8k Apple wants for the Mac Pro. We'll see what happens over the next few years though.

krzyk 6y ago
> Certainly no encounters with a "weird security system" You didn't use mac during the notarization system outage? I coulndn't even use my keyboard and mouse (the one on macbook, NOT bluetooth one) for 2-5 minutes after lid was opened. Never had such issue with Linux, yeah, bluetooth ones might stop working but wired keyboard (or laptop open) works always. Yesterday out of the blue my wifes AirPods Pro stopped working with macbook AND iPhone at the same time - they rejected connection (or actually on mac it looked like they are connected but the sound was coming out of speakers not the pods) and the same situation with iPhone. I had to reset AirPods to make it work. And don't get me started on the completly stupid difference between ctrl+c and cmd+c. One (the standard for everything except macos) is used in terminal and the other in every other app. For me macbook would be great for one thing: installing Linux on it, if it only had the ctrl key in the correct place (that is at the left corner of the keyboard not next to Fn).
- tmp538394722 6y ago
  Go figure... I actually like that the terminal has its classic Ctrl+ characters unimpeded by the GUI layer, which has its own namespace behind Cmd+ How do you copy text out of your virtual terminal? The Fn key placement on the other hand... I’m with you.
  - rzzzt 6y ago
    You select it. No further steps required.
    - quesera 6y ago
      If configured, sure, and if you use the mouse for all text selection. And also if configured, middle-click can paste. Now how about Cut (Cmd+X vs Ctrl+Shift+X)?
      - rzzzt 6y ago
        I don't have an alternative for Cut, unfortunately. How do you select text in your virtual terminal with the keyboard?
        pdkl95 6y ago
        > How do you select text in your virtual terminal with the keyboard? with xsel(1x) or xclip(1) https://github.com/kfish/xsel https://github.com/kfish/xsel https://github.com/astrand/xclip https://github.com/astrand/xclip
        Scarbutt 6y ago
        tmux lets select with just the keyboard, even when tmux is on a remote server and you are using it through ssh, you can select to your local clipboard. This is for iTerm, don't know about other terminals. No idea how this works, just tested in Terminal.app and it works too.
    - user-the-name 6y ago

krzyk 6y ago

> Certainly no encounters with a "weird security system" You didn't use mac during the notarization system outage? I coulndn't even use my keyboard and mouse (the one on macbook, NOT bluetooth one) for 2-5 minutes after lid was opened. Never had such issue with Linux, yeah, bluetooth ones might stop working but wired keyboard (or laptop open) works always. Yesterday out of the blue my wifes AirPods Pro stopped working with macbook AND iPhone at the same time - they rejected connection (or actually on mac it looked like they are connected but the sound was coming out of speakers not the pods) and the same situation with iPhone. I had to reset AirPods to make it work. And don't get me started on the completly stupid difference between ctrl+c and cmd+c. One (the standard for everything except macos) is used in terminal and the other in every other app. For me macbook would be great for one thing: installing Linux on it, if it only had the ctrl key in the correct place (that is at the left corner of the keyboard not next to Fn).

tmp538394722 6y ago
Go figure... I actually like that the terminal has its classic Ctrl+ characters unimpeded by the GUI layer, which has its own namespace behind Cmd+ How do you copy text out of your virtual terminal? The Fn key placement on the other hand... I’m with you.
- rzzzt 6y ago
  You select it. No further steps required.
  - quesera 6y ago
    If configured, sure, and if you use the mouse for all text selection. And also if configured, middle-click can paste. Now how about Cut (Cmd+X vs Ctrl+Shift+X)?
    - rzzzt 6y ago
      I don't have an alternative for Cut, unfortunately. How do you select text in your virtual terminal with the keyboard?
      - pdkl95 6y ago
        > How do you select text in your virtual terminal with the keyboard? with xsel(1x) or xclip(1) https://github.com/kfish/xsel https://github.com/kfish/xsel https://github.com/astrand/xclip https://github.com/astrand/xclip
      - Scarbutt 6y ago
        tmux lets select with just the keyboard, even when tmux is on a remote server and you are using it through ssh, you can select to your local clipboard. This is for iTerm, don't know about other terminals. No idea how this works, just tested in Terminal.app and it works too.
  - user-the-name 6y ago