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As a Linux user, you are basically safe because most likely all the applications you use are open-source and malicious intent in a program would result in your

As a Linux user, you are basically safe because most likely all the applications you use are open-source and malicious intent in a program would result in your distribution removing it. As a macOS User I'm quite happy with the restrictions and sandbox of macOS, as I also occasionally use Windows and see whats going on there: 3rd Party Applications that you install scanning your harddrive and extracting calendar entries, contacts, heck even your Steam Game List just to upload it to the cloud and sell the data. 10 Years ago those app would be reported as mal-/adware by your Antivirus, but since this has become "the new default" nowadays you cannot trust any application on windows anymore - especially since the largest cooperations that you thought are trustworthy, like i.e. Adobe are in on this. So yes, security on macOS is anoying sometimes ("Do you want to allow App X to access your Downloads folder?") but I can see why allowing software just arbitrary disk/network access nowaday is not a good idea anymore.

gnfargbl 6y ago
I see your point on the sandbox, and I agree that Windows is in many ways even worse as a consumer platform. I wasn't aware that things had gotten so bad there. My complaint with MacOS is less about the existence of SIP (though I can't say I enjoy it) and more about things like bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken. (These are all actual problems that I've spent hours solving, not theoretical issues.) I don't understand why technical users voluntarily put up with this.
- rattray 6y ago
  > bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken Broken how? That's surprising - in my experience, the versions of these utilities on macos are often missing features relative to linux, but the differences are known and documented...
- jsjohnst 6y ago
  > bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken Reference needed re: SSH, but as to Bash/Python/etc, did you know Apple bundles “old” versions of both? You should not be using the system provided ones imho if you are a developer. Simple solution: brew install bash gnutools python That will very likely solve all your complaints listed, the second of which listed is for those who don’t understand BSD vs GNU/Linux userland CLI options aren’t universal.
- sitzkrieg 6y ago
  > I see your point on the sandbox, and I agree that Windows is in many ways even worse as a consumer platform. I wasn't aware that things had gotten so bad there. its because exaggeration

gnfargbl 6y ago

I see your point on the sandbox, and I agree that Windows is in many ways even worse as a consumer platform. I wasn't aware that things had gotten so bad there. My complaint with MacOS is less about the existence of SIP (though I can't say I enjoy it) and more about things like bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken. (These are all actual problems that I've spent hours solving, not theoretical issues.) I don't understand why technical users voluntarily put up with this.

rattray 6y ago
> bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken Broken how? That's surprising - in my experience, the versions of these utilities on macos are often missing features relative to linux, but the differences are known and documented...
jsjohnst 6y ago
> bash, python and even SSH being regularly broken Reference needed re: SSH, but as to Bash/Python/etc, did you know Apple bundles “old” versions of both? You should not be using the system provided ones imho if you are a developer. Simple solution: brew install bash gnutools python That will very likely solve all your complaints listed, the second of which listed is for those who don’t understand BSD vs GNU/Linux userland CLI options aren’t universal.
sitzkrieg 6y ago
> I see your point on the sandbox, and I agree that Windows is in many ways even worse as a consumer platform. I wasn't aware that things had gotten so bad there. its because exaggeration