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I wonder why this hasn't been escalated to an anti-trust case yet.

by znpy 6y ago

waheoo 6y ago
Because every time a libertarian raises the issue they get called a racist trumping alt right nazi. Y'all made your bed. True libertarians checked out a long time ago. We can either die for your sins against free speech or we can watch them come for you. I know what I chose.
- geofft 6y ago
  Let me get this straight - you're saying "true libertarians" are people who decide to stop caring about advancing libertarian causes because someone else exercised their right of free speech, and now cheer for the loss of liberty of people they don't like?
  - waheoo 6y ago
    No, I'm saying true libertarians have been getting ostracised by polite society for years now. I'm a massively left leaning libertarian, if it weren't for its consistently proven failures in practice I would be a commy. But here I am, over the years of commenting online I've been labeled a trump supporter, a Republican, alt right, white, male privileged, white privileged, racist, pseudo intellectual, biggoted, transphobic, and a Nazi.
    - XorNot 6y ago
      Aren't libertarians all about the absolute sanctity of private property over all other concerns? How is a pro-business ideology remotely justifying government intervention in the practice and moderation decisions of a private company? Wouldn't the rectification involve the government specifically dictating their business behaviour?
      - LocalH 6y ago
        There needs to be a term for otherwise libertarian-minded people, who also understand that the platform should revolve around correcting the power imbalances between large wealthy organizations and individuals, whether those large organizations are governments or corporations. I don't see why we can't restrict the ultra-rich billionaires while still protecting the small-to-medium rich who actually did bust their ass to gain their fortunes.
      - waheoo 6y ago
        Wikipedia: Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. If you want to get specific on the economic front I diverge a bit and fall somewhere along the mutualism line of things where I'm more interested in a pragmatic free market socialism. Basically just do what you feel like but don't be a prick about it, and yes, we'll organise some free healthcare and education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory)
        XorNot 6y ago
        I'm not seeing a meaningful objection to Google doing what it wants with moderation of its own platform though. "Do what you want" in the free market is exactly this behavior.
        waheoo 6y ago
        It's own platform? They're monopolies. They are the market. There is nothing free about a moderated market. Robin hood investors disliked a move by management and voted with their feet to place one star reviews. Google removed them all. You can but ma private companies if you want but you're only pointing out how monopolistic these platforms are. Good luck with antitrust Google. You gonna get fucked over a barrel. People are waking up.
- arduanika 6y ago
  A little polemical, but there's some truth here. We've become so fixated on left-right as the only dimension that whenever you advocate for something clearly in the centrist-ish public interest, all anyone wants to know is which side you're on so that they can reduce you to a caricature. Which prompts the question, who is responsible for all this vitriol? What people or corporations are driving us further and further into these two filter bubbles? Oh no.
- ttt0 6y ago
  It used to be that if you even uttered the words "freedom of speech" here you'd be instantly downvoted and jumped on by five people saying that censorship is only when it's done by the government. Some people still double down on supporting the censorship, but at least no one even mentions that free market argument anymore.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    Used to be? -6 and counting. Should get flagged any minute now. Can't have people speaking untruths ya know? edit That didn't take long.
arduanika 6y ago
They don't bust trusts anymore, but FAANG sure is determined to bust all our trust in them.

I wonder why this hasn't been escalated to an anti-trust case yet.

by znpy 6y ago

I wonder why this hasn't been escalated to an anti-trust case yet.

Because every time a libertarian raises the issue they get called a racist trumping alt right nazi. Y'all made your bed. True libertarians checked out a long time ago. We can either die for your sins against free speech or we can watch them come for you. I know what I chose.

geofft 6y ago
Let me get this straight - you're saying "true libertarians" are people who decide to stop caring about advancing libertarian causes because someone else exercised their right of free speech, and now cheer for the loss of liberty of people they don't like?
- waheoo 6y ago
  No, I'm saying true libertarians have been getting ostracised by polite society for years now. I'm a massively left leaning libertarian, if it weren't for its consistently proven failures in practice I would be a commy. But here I am, over the years of commenting online I've been labeled a trump supporter, a Republican, alt right, white, male privileged, white privileged, racist, pseudo intellectual, biggoted, transphobic, and a Nazi.
  - XorNot 6y ago
    Aren't libertarians all about the absolute sanctity of private property over all other concerns? How is a pro-business ideology remotely justifying government intervention in the practice and moderation decisions of a private company? Wouldn't the rectification involve the government specifically dictating their business behaviour?
    - LocalH 6y ago
      There needs to be a term for otherwise libertarian-minded people, who also understand that the platform should revolve around correcting the power imbalances between large wealthy organizations and individuals, whether those large organizations are governments or corporations. I don't see why we can't restrict the ultra-rich billionaires while still protecting the small-to-medium rich who actually did bust their ass to gain their fortunes.
    - waheoo 6y ago
      Wikipedia: Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. If you want to get specific on the economic front I diverge a bit and fall somewhere along the mutualism line of things where I'm more interested in a pragmatic free market socialism. Basically just do what you feel like but don't be a prick about it, and yes, we'll organise some free healthcare and education. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutualism_(economic_theory)
      - XorNot 6y ago
        I'm not seeing a meaningful objection to Google doing what it wants with moderation of its own platform though. "Do what you want" in the free market is exactly this behavior.
        waheoo 6y ago
        It's own platform? They're monopolies. They are the market. There is nothing free about a moderated market. Robin hood investors disliked a move by management and voted with their feet to place one star reviews. Google removed them all. You can but ma private companies if you want but you're only pointing out how monopolistic these platforms are. Good luck with antitrust Google. You gonna get fucked over a barrel. People are waking up.
arduanika 6y ago
A little polemical, but there's some truth here. We've become so fixated on left-right as the only dimension that whenever you advocate for something clearly in the centrist-ish public interest, all anyone wants to know is which side you're on so that they can reduce you to a caricature. Which prompts the question, who is responsible for all this vitriol? What people or corporations are driving us further and further into these two filter bubbles? Oh no.
ttt0 6y ago
It used to be that if you even uttered the words "freedom of speech" here you'd be instantly downvoted and jumped on by five people saying that censorship is only when it's done by the government. Some people still double down on supporting the censorship, but at least no one even mentions that free market argument anymore.
- waheoo 6y ago
  Used to be? -6 and counting. Should get flagged any minute now. Can't have people speaking untruths ya know? edit That didn't take long.

arduanika 6y ago

They don't bust trusts anymore, but FAANG sure is determined to bust all our trust in them.