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All web browsers that are not Chrome, beware. You're next.

pmlnr 6y ago
Those might be the exceptions, at least for now. Ever since Firefox's crusade against IE the majority of people seem to still know there are different ~programs~ apps to access the internet with. As long as Chrome is not the default in the overwhelming amount of the operating systems, this might even stay like this, which is why I'm extremely unhappy that Android ships with Chrome these days and not with a thin gui on top of the system webview, like it used to. EDIT: this ties in to the conversation I had on different platform recently, that it's getting arduous to make people understand that an app is not necessarily the same as the system behind it. Choosing an email client used to be a thing (Thunderbird, The Bat!, Outlook Express, mutt, etc; to name some across contrasting needs) not even too long ago. I despise that we came to a world where even the tech moderation fails to understand an app != protocol.
- ainar-g 6y ago
  > As long as Chrome is not the default in the overwhelming amount of the operating systems, this might even stay like this, which is why I'm extremely unhappy that Android ships with Chrome these days and not with a thin gui on top of the system webview, like it used to. That is also why I was rather sad when Microsoft announced that they won't develop their own browser engines any more. I disliked IE as much as anybody else, but what I did like was the competition. With Edge switching to Blink, essentially becoming yet another partially-degooged Chrome, part of that competition is gone.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    > With Edge switching to Blink, essentially becoming yet another partially-degooged Chrome Now it sends half of your data to Google and the other half to Microsoft. That's an improvement, they decentralized spyware.
    - ptero 6y ago
      Its 75% each way. And they will for many years work to reduce spying by lowering this percentage, to 50% in the asymptotic case.
- LocalH 6y ago
  I would posit that Google has a vested interest in blurring the lines between apps and the protocols that drive them
znpy 6y ago
I wonder why this hasn't been escalated to an anti-trust case yet.
- waheoo 6y ago
  Because every time a libertarian raises the issue they get called a racist trumping alt right nazi. Y'all made your bed. True libertarians checked out a long time ago. We can either die for your sins against free speech or we can watch them come for you. I know what I chose.
  - geofft 6y ago
    Let me get this straight - you're saying "true libertarians" are people who decide to stop caring about advancing libertarian causes because someone else exercised their right of free speech, and now cheer for the loss of liberty of people they don't like?
    - waheoo 6y ago
      No, I'm saying true libertarians have been getting ostracised by polite society for years now. I'm a massively left leaning libertarian, if it weren't for its consistently proven failures in practice I would be a commy. But here I am, over the years of commenting online I've been labeled a trump supporter, a Republican, alt right, white, male privileged, white privileged, racist, pseudo intellectual, biggoted, transphobic, and a Nazi.
      - XorNot 6y ago
        Aren't libertarians all about the absolute sanctity of private property over all other concerns? How is a pro-business ideology remotely justifying government intervention in the practice and moderation decisions of a private company? Wouldn't the rectification involve the government specifically dictating their business behaviour?
        LocalH 6y ago

Those might be the exceptions, at least for now. Ever since Firefox's crusade against IE the majority of people seem to still know there are different ~programs~ apps to access the internet with. As long as Chrome is not the default in the overwhelming amount of the operating systems, this might even stay like this, which is why I'm extremely unhappy that Android ships with Chrome these days and not with a thin gui on top of the system webview, like it used to. EDIT: this ties in to the conversation I had on different platform recently, that it's getting arduous to make people understand that an app is not necessarily the same as the system behind it. Choosing an email client used to be a thing (Thunderbird, The Bat!, Outlook Express, mutt, etc; to name some across contrasting needs) not even too long ago. I despise that we came to a world where even the tech moderation fails to understand an app != protocol.

ainar-g 6y ago
> As long as Chrome is not the default in the overwhelming amount of the operating systems, this might even stay like this, which is why I'm extremely unhappy that Android ships with Chrome these days and not with a thin gui on top of the system webview, like it used to. That is also why I was rather sad when Microsoft announced that they won't develop their own browser engines any more. I disliked IE as much as anybody else, but what I did like was the competition. With Edge switching to Blink, essentially becoming yet another partially-degooged Chrome, part of that competition is gone.
- ttt0 6y ago
  > With Edge switching to Blink, essentially becoming yet another partially-degooged Chrome Now it sends half of your data to Google and the other half to Microsoft. That's an improvement, they decentralized spyware.
  - ptero 6y ago
    Its 75% each way. And they will for many years work to reduce spying by lowering this percentage, to 50% in the asymptotic case.
LocalH 6y ago
I would posit that Google has a vested interest in blurring the lines between apps and the protocols that drive them

znpy 6y ago

I wonder why this hasn't been escalated to an anti-trust case yet.

waheoo 6y ago
Because every time a libertarian raises the issue they get called a racist trumping alt right nazi. Y'all made your bed. True libertarians checked out a long time ago. We can either die for your sins against free speech or we can watch them come for you. I know what I chose.
- geofft 6y ago
  Let me get this straight - you're saying "true libertarians" are people who decide to stop caring about advancing libertarian causes because someone else exercised their right of free speech, and now cheer for the loss of liberty of people they don't like?
  - waheoo 6y ago
    No, I'm saying true libertarians have been getting ostracised by polite society for years now. I'm a massively left leaning libertarian, if it weren't for its consistently proven failures in practice I would be a commy. But here I am, over the years of commenting online I've been labeled a trump supporter, a Republican, alt right, white, male privileged, white privileged, racist, pseudo intellectual, biggoted, transphobic, and a Nazi.
    - XorNot 6y ago
      Aren't libertarians all about the absolute sanctity of private property over all other concerns? How is a pro-business ideology remotely justifying government intervention in the practice and moderation decisions of a private company? Wouldn't the rectification involve the government specifically dictating their business behaviour?
      - LocalH 6y ago