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Update posted on Twitter: > Morning all. We've had contact from Google confirming that the suspension is due to abusive content somewhere on Matrix; we're work

Update posted on Twitter: > Morning all. We've had contact from Google confirming that the suspension is due to abusive content somewhere on Matrix; we're working with them to explain how Element works and get the situation resolved.

itronitron 6y ago
Maybe someone can let Google know that Element is not a publisher.
- Spivak 6y ago
  No but Matrix.org will likely be considered one. I mean the Twitter app isn’t a publisher but Twitter sure it. If Matrix only facilitated private communications then they could probably tell Google to piss off but they became a social network when they included public chatrooms.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    So when's twitter getting its take down?
Spivak 6y ago
I think it’s funny that they think Google cares at all about the implementation details of your service. The only thing that matters to app reviewers is what the user sees when they use it. If you make your app technically unmoderatable, impossible to remove illegal content, or impossible to respond to DMCA requests you don’t get to just throw your hands up.
- MaxBarraclough 6y ago
  > The only thing that matters to app reviewers is what the user sees when they use it. If that were true, web browsers would be in trouble.
  - Sunspark 6y ago
    I understand Google Chrome can be used to view objectionable illegal content.
    - Spivak 6y ago
      It’s not that the app can be used to view the content. It’s that Matrix apps are basically matrix.org clients with an option to use another home server if you want. If you followed the default onboarding you get a Matrix.org account. It’s the default blessed server from the project. So Element will now forever get blowback from public content hosted on Matrix.org.
  - tjalfi 6y ago
    Older protocols such as HTTP are grandfathered in; if the web was invented last week, browsers probably would be blocked periodically.
  - Spivak 6y ago
    Element is a Matrix.org client that lets users choose another server if they want. And Matrix.org hosts public chatrooms. So the fate of Element is tied to content hosted by Matrix.org.

itronitron 6y ago

Maybe someone can let Google know that Element is not a publisher.

Spivak 6y ago
No but Matrix.org will likely be considered one. I mean the Twitter app isn’t a publisher but Twitter sure it. If Matrix only facilitated private communications then they could probably tell Google to piss off but they became a social network when they included public chatrooms.
- waheoo 6y ago
  So when's twitter getting its take down?

Spivak 6y ago

I think it’s funny that they think Google cares at all about the implementation details of your service. The only thing that matters to app reviewers is what the user sees when they use it. If you make your app technically unmoderatable, impossible to remove illegal content, or impossible to respond to DMCA requests you don’t get to just throw your hands up.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago
> The only thing that matters to app reviewers is what the user sees when they use it. If that were true, web browsers would be in trouble.
- Sunspark 6y ago
  I understand Google Chrome can be used to view objectionable illegal content.
  - Spivak 6y ago
    It’s not that the app can be used to view the content. It’s that Matrix apps are basically matrix.org clients with an option to use another home server if you want. If you followed the default onboarding you get a Matrix.org account. It’s the default blessed server from the project. So Element will now forever get blowback from public content hosted on Matrix.org.
- tjalfi 6y ago
  Older protocols such as HTTP are grandfathered in; if the web was invented last week, browsers probably would be blocked periodically.
- Spivak 6y ago
  Element is a Matrix.org client that lets users choose another server if they want. And Matrix.org hosts public chatrooms. So the fate of Element is tied to content hosted by Matrix.org.