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Signal is open source you can run your own non-federated signal server. You can use a custom signal client against the federated network too. https://www.vice

by o-__-o 6y ago

Signal is open source you can run your own non-federated signal server. You can use a custom signal client against the federated network too. https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vq4k/thousands-of-users-unknowingly-joined-signal-because-of-12-year-olds-app https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7vq4k/thousands-of-users-un...

est31 6y ago
Moxie is not friendly towards such third party clients that connect to the main network. Also, I only used it as an example. There might be other reasons for a ban. The point is that you don't depend on them.
rglullis 6y ago
Signal Server has not seen updates for over 9 months. Moxie openly states that is not part of Signal's core values to support federation in the network. IOW, even though they say they don't want to control your conversation, they do want you in their hands.
- o-__-o 6y ago
  But. The point is still that you can run your own non-federated signal server or connect your own client to their federated network.
  - rglullis 6y ago
    An outdated version of the server whose development team has no incentive whatsoever of supporting for your use case. Can you run it? Sure. Should you?
    - o-__-o 6y ago
      Why does any source code exist then? What is the point of GitHub with codebases that are 7+ years old? Would mass adoption of the outdated server force updates or god forbid a fork of the code base? Please excuse me for being direct, I do not accept your defeatist attitude on this one. You won’t have stickers, such a shame, but you would have the ability to create your own signal service
      - rglullis 6y ago
        If Signal was the only alternative to have an internal messaging tool, sure, it would make sense to invest time and money on it to keep it up. But it doesn't. There are options. If I had to choose, I would rather invest this time and money to collaborate on the existing protocols that do have the goal of being fully open. Matrix and XMPP can do the things that I want and there are plenty of people working on them to overcome the present issues and challenges for mass adoption. Why should I swim upstream by myself if there is no special reward for this kind of effort?
        o-__-o 6y ago
        Because the signal client is very straightforward and easy to use. You gonna teach your grandma how to connect to a mumble or matrix server? I know you are a nerd but your users are not.
        rglullis 6y ago
        My grandma does not use any kind of phone, so it is going to be hard to get her to Element or Signal or anything. However, my mother does use Element to talk with me and it wasn't that hard to help her download an app, tell her where to put the username and what is the name of the matrix server and quickly she was on her way to start a call and setup a room with the rest of the family where I share the pictures of her grandkids. My users may not be nerds, but they are not stupid. They can learn.

by o-__-o 6y ago

est31 6y ago

Moxie is not friendly towards such third party clients that connect to the main network. Also, I only used it as an example. There might be other reasons for a ban. The point is that you don't depend on them.

rglullis 6y ago

Signal Server has not seen updates for over 9 months. Moxie openly states that is not part of Signal's core values to support federation in the network. IOW, even though they say they don't want to control your conversation, they do want you in their hands.

o-__-o 6y ago
But. The point is still that you can run your own non-federated signal server or connect your own client to their federated network.
- rglullis 6y ago
  An outdated version of the server whose development team has no incentive whatsoever of supporting for your use case. Can you run it? Sure. Should you?
  - o-__-o 6y ago
    Why does any source code exist then? What is the point of GitHub with codebases that are 7+ years old? Would mass adoption of the outdated server force updates or god forbid a fork of the code base? Please excuse me for being direct, I do not accept your defeatist attitude on this one. You won’t have stickers, such a shame, but you would have the ability to create your own signal service
    - rglullis 6y ago
      If Signal was the only alternative to have an internal messaging tool, sure, it would make sense to invest time and money on it to keep it up. But it doesn't. There are options. If I had to choose, I would rather invest this time and money to collaborate on the existing protocols that do have the goal of being fully open. Matrix and XMPP can do the things that I want and there are plenty of people working on them to overcome the present issues and challenges for mass adoption. Why should I swim upstream by myself if there is no special reward for this kind of effort?
      - o-__-o 6y ago
        Because the signal client is very straightforward and easy to use. You gonna teach your grandma how to connect to a mumble or matrix server? I know you are a nerd but your users are not.
        rglullis 6y ago
        My grandma does not use any kind of phone, so it is going to be hard to get her to Element or Signal or anything. However, my mother does use Element to talk with me and it wasn't that hard to help her download an app, tell her where to put the username and what is the name of the matrix server and quickly she was on her way to start a call and setup a room with the rest of the family where I share the pictures of her grandkids. My users may not be nerds, but they are not stupid. They can learn.