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Parler curated the content on their platform for months including shadowbanning new accounts until they had been approved by volunteer moderators. Accounts on P

by tmpz22 6y ago

Parler curated the content on their platform for months including shadowbanning new accounts until they had been approved by volunteer moderators. Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler, your putting Element side by side with some very bad company.

manquer 6y ago
Op said they there is nothing else in common. They are in the same boat as parler in the sense that another communication platform not owned by a big corp is being targeted and removed. Matrix likely will come back for some of the reasons you mention . But fact is google and apple arbitrarily without warning or notice remove apps from their store. The stores should be considered utility like electricity google should not able to refuse service randomly.
- flunhat 6y ago
  > parler in the sense that another communication platform not owned by a big corp Parler is owned by the Mercer family, of Renaissance Technologies fame, one of the most successful hedge funds in existence. They are personally worth tens of billions of dollars.
  - manquer 6y ago
    Still not even close to the trillon+ worth of google or apple. Also just cause they worth billions means they will back parler with billions. Parler itself is pretty small fish financially speaking
buzzerbetrayed 6y ago
> If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler Just go reread what gp wrote. He basically said the exact opposite of this. You are putting words in his mouth and interpereting his comment in the least charitable way possible.
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cheph 6y ago
> Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. Did not know this, you have a source for this?
- kortilla 6y ago
  No, Parler executives did not “speak often publicly supporting planned violence against elected officials”. They would have been arrested already if this was that clear of a trail.
wernercd 6y ago
> call for and planned violence And yet, accounts that did the same for AntiFA fascists and BLM "peaceful protests" for 4 years still stand. As do the platforms (Facebook, Twitter, etc). Banning platforms while letting those who encouraged much worse for longer isn't a way to instill confidence in unbiased decisions.
oji0hub 6y ago
> Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months When Trump was elected there were riots for weeks under banners like "not my president" and "never trump". No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol etc. Instead they were "activists" and "protesters" and to the extent anyone did anything really bad, they were "incited by Trump" so it was really his fault anyway. Then for the following years, organizations like antifa and blm and countless individuals have been inciting violence on a daily basis on platforms like twitter, reddit and facebook. These platforms are still up. More than just up, they enjoy the support of the same organizations that banned parler. The conclusion? These people are apparently fine with inciting violence. They don't want to discuss things. They just want to make sure the people who get attacked are people they don't like.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol[.] Because no one attacked or stormed the capitol during those protests.
  - oji0hub 6y ago
    I don't know what to say. For weeks people were roaming the streets, smashing windows, cars, beating people up, etc. ???
    - slavak 6y ago
      The Capitol is a literal building in Washington DC, which is the seat of the United States legislative. Even if it _was_ true that "people were roaming the streets smashing windows" when Trump was elected, no one was storming the Capitol building, which is why no one wrote anything about people storming the Capitol...
      - oji0hub 6y ago
        Even if it _was_ true? Do you live in a cave? Did you also miss all of the other "demonstration"? Like just recently a bunch of groups were rioting and smashed and looted every single shop in block after block in a whole bunch of locations? One side smashes things up for weeks all over the country and "oh they're activists and protesters" and another groups does barely any damage in one location for a day and they're "storming the capitol"? I don't think you are speaking in good faith.
SirensOfTitan 6y ago
Do you have any sources supporting your statements here? This feels like fake news to me. A large portion of these protests were planned on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/facebook-role-in-capitol-protest/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/faceboo... ...should they be removed and silenced because of it? Or should all of these gigantic tech companies with the checkbooks to provide exhaustive moderation enjoy their 230 powers while denying the right to all of the little guys? Parlor and Gab are fairly harrowing examples of what happens when censorship occurs. People leave platforms with diverse views and head to echo chambers. Those folks end up having stronger, more radical opinions because they were forced into a corner. No one has ever given me any compelling reason for censorship. Hate is defeated in the open, it is fairly impossible to deal with in private channels. Censors also cannot censor everything, so content always slips through the cracks.
mensetmanusman 6y ago
It turns out it was Facebook that was used for planning.

by tmpz22 6y ago

manquer 6y ago

Op said they there is nothing else in common. They are in the same boat as parler in the sense that another communication platform not owned by a big corp is being targeted and removed. Matrix likely will come back for some of the reasons you mention . But fact is google and apple arbitrarily without warning or notice remove apps from their store. The stores should be considered utility like electricity google should not able to refuse service randomly.

flunhat 6y ago
> parler in the sense that another communication platform not owned by a big corp Parler is owned by the Mercer family, of Renaissance Technologies fame, one of the most successful hedge funds in existence. They are personally worth tens of billions of dollars.
- manquer 6y ago
  Still not even close to the trillon+ worth of google or apple. Also just cause they worth billions means they will back parler with billions. Parler itself is pretty small fish financially speaking

buzzerbetrayed 6y ago

> If your going to argue with a straight face the this new situation is the same as Parler Just go reread what gp wrote. He basically said the exact opposite of this. You are putting words in his mouth and interpereting his comment in the least charitable way possible.

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cheph 6y ago

> Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months. Executives at the company spoke often and publicly supporting that content. Did not know this, you have a source for this?

kortilla 6y ago
No, Parler executives did not “speak often publicly supporting planned violence against elected officials”. They would have been arrested already if this was that clear of a trail.

wernercd 6y ago

> call for and planned violence And yet, accounts that did the same for AntiFA fascists and BLM "peaceful protests" for 4 years still stand. As do the platforms (Facebook, Twitter, etc). Banning platforms while letting those who encouraged much worse for longer isn't a way to instill confidence in unbiased decisions.

oji0hub 6y ago

> Accounts on Parler called for and planned violence against elected officials for months When Trump was elected there were riots for weeks under banners like "not my president" and "never trump". No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol etc. Instead they were "activists" and "protesters" and to the extent anyone did anything really bad, they were "incited by Trump" so it was really his fault anyway. Then for the following years, organizations like antifa and blm and countless individuals have been inciting violence on a daily basis on platforms like twitter, reddit and facebook. These platforms are still up. More than just up, they enjoy the support of the same organizations that banned parler. The conclusion? These people are apparently fine with inciting violence. They don't want to discuss things. They just want to make sure the people who get attacked are people they don't like.

Shared404 6y ago
> No one wrote anything about the capitol being under attack or people storming the capitol[.] Because no one attacked or stormed the capitol during those protests.
- oji0hub 6y ago
  I don't know what to say. For weeks people were roaming the streets, smashing windows, cars, beating people up, etc. ???
  - slavak 6y ago
    The Capitol is a literal building in Washington DC, which is the seat of the United States legislative. Even if it _was_ true that "people were roaming the streets smashing windows" when Trump was elected, no one was storming the Capitol building, which is why no one wrote anything about people storming the Capitol...
    - oji0hub 6y ago
      Even if it _was_ true? Do you live in a cave? Did you also miss all of the other "demonstration"? Like just recently a bunch of groups were rioting and smashed and looted every single shop in block after block in a whole bunch of locations? One side smashes things up for weeks all over the country and "oh they're activists and protesters" and another groups does barely any damage in one location for a day and they're "storming the capitol"? I don't think you are speaking in good faith.

SirensOfTitan 6y ago

Do you have any sources supporting your statements here? This feels like fake news to me. A large portion of these protests were planned on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/facebook-role-in-capitol-protest/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/13/faceboo... ...should they be removed and silenced because of it? Or should all of these gigantic tech companies with the checkbooks to provide exhaustive moderation enjoy their 230 powers while denying the right to all of the little guys? Parlor and Gab are fairly harrowing examples of what happens when censorship occurs. People leave platforms with diverse views and head to echo chambers. Those folks end up having stronger, more radical opinions because they were forced into a corner. No one has ever given me any compelling reason for censorship. Hate is defeated in the open, it is fairly impossible to deal with in private channels. Censors also cannot censor everything, so content always slips through the cracks.

mensetmanusman 6y ago

It turns out it was Facebook that was used for planning.