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Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?

by cft 6y ago

young_unixer 6y ago
I think I don't. Sometimes I get notifications, sometimes it may take hours for me to get the notification. I rarely use instant messaging for important things, and when I do, I make sure to check my phone often so I don't miss the messages. Is this stupid? Maybe, but I'm not going to install Google's closed source crap on a device that I carry almost everywhere. If that means I become a social pariah, then so be it.
- cft 6y ago
  I think they should be forced to allow apps running in the background to connect to an arbitrary server, to subscribe to notifications
  - dathinab 6y ago
    Its kinda is possible (on some android setups) but unreliable. Most importantly your app (and server) needs to be build to be able to fall back to a 3rd party message broker. But the common fallback is to just sync messages from time to time in background if the app runs as it's "good enough" for the case Google is temporary down or not available or you are one of the (from the App POV) view people which de-googled their phone.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  "If that means I become a social pariah, then so be it." Sounds heroic, but maybe does not help anyone? And if you really cannot tolerate closed source, than what kind of hardware do you use? As far as I know, they are allmost all closed and locked. Pine64 is a fresh breeze, but they are also not free(nor stable) yet. My workaround is simply, that I have a mobile, where I can remove the batterie, then I know, it is turned off.
hiq 6y ago
Both Signal and WhatsApp work fine. It requires workarounds from the app developers, but it's not impossible to implement.
- emayljames 6y ago
  Signal gets round it by sending an empty notification through Google's mandatory firebase service, then sending the actual message from its own service.
dathinab 6y ago
Through non-google message brokers. The problem is that this requires a long running background connection. And guess what Google tried to kill for battery saving purpose since a long time (long running mostly sleeping background processes). But then on Google in difference to Apple it's still possible (but less reliable) with the right setup and fully possible with a "proper" de-googled phone. So depending on your setup you might either: - not get notifications - get them unreliable - only get them if the app is open - get them just fine Also this might change from app to app, there clearly will be apps which will not have any 3rd party notification broker fallback, but given how Google doesn't have 100% delivicery guarantees they still should have (potential delayed) message syncing when the app is open.

Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?

by cft 6y ago

Then how do you get instant messaging notifications?

I think I don't. Sometimes I get notifications, sometimes it may take hours for me to get the notification. I rarely use instant messaging for important things, and when I do, I make sure to check my phone often so I don't miss the messages. Is this stupid? Maybe, but I'm not going to install Google's closed source crap on a device that I carry almost everywhere. If that means I become a social pariah, then so be it.

cft 6y ago
I think they should be forced to allow apps running in the background to connect to an arbitrary server, to subscribe to notifications
- dathinab 6y ago
  Its kinda is possible (on some android setups) but unreliable. Most importantly your app (and server) needs to be build to be able to fall back to a 3rd party message broker. But the common fallback is to just sync messages from time to time in background if the app runs as it's "good enough" for the case Google is temporary down or not available or you are one of the (from the App POV) view people which de-googled their phone.
hutzlibu 6y ago
"If that means I become a social pariah, then so be it." Sounds heroic, but maybe does not help anyone? And if you really cannot tolerate closed source, than what kind of hardware do you use? As far as I know, they are allmost all closed and locked. Pine64 is a fresh breeze, but they are also not free(nor stable) yet. My workaround is simply, that I have a mobile, where I can remove the batterie, then I know, it is turned off.

hiq 6y ago

Both Signal and WhatsApp work fine. It requires workarounds from the app developers, but it's not impossible to implement.

emayljames 6y ago
Signal gets round it by sending an empty notification through Google's mandatory firebase service, then sending the actual message from its own service.

dathinab 6y ago

Through non-google message brokers. The problem is that this requires a long running background connection. And guess what Google tried to kill for battery saving purpose since a long time (long running mostly sleeping background processes). But then on Google in difference to Apple it's still possible (but less reliable) with the right setup and fully possible with a "proper" de-googled phone. So depending on your setup you might either: - not get notifications - get them unreliable - only get them if the app is open - get them just fine Also this might change from app to app, there clearly will be apps which will not have any 3rd party notification broker fallback, but given how Google doesn't have 100% delivicery guarantees they still should have (potential delayed) message syncing when the app is open.