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For low-dynamic range maybe, but for HDR 8-bit is definitely not enough.

sillysaurusx 6y ago
If you measure this in a rigorous, scientific way, you will be forced to conclude that 8-bit RGB is enough. The reasons why are interesting, but it has to do with how the eye processes images and color. Remember, you can turn your screen as bright as you want. But it doesn't help the content appear more "real" or "better" or "HDR-like". Therefore, HDR is simply "the ability to discern between different levels of color." And if you try to measure exactly how many levels of color a human can discern, the answer is no more than the 256^3 available via 8-bit RGB. The precise claim: if you have two screens next to each other, one 8-bit RGB and one 10-bit RGB, and both screens are color calibrated / brightness calibrated identically, and the viewing conditions are identical for both screens, then if you blindfold someone and put them in front of a random screen, they will be unable to say "Ah, this is the 10-bit RGB screen!" more than random chance.
- tjoff 6y ago
  If you show a grayscale gradient anyone not legally blind would pick the 10bit display in a fraction of a second.
  - sillysaurusx 6y ago
    Grayscale gradients, yes. Anything else, no. That was what researchers discovered.
    - tjoff 6y ago
      So the answer is: yes. 10-bit also comes with much better calibration precision where the translation isn't done in the display itself.
    - mixmastamyk 6y ago
      Monochrome, not grayscale. For example, many shades of blue in a high-contrast photo of the sky.
- pixel_fcker 6y ago
  “If you calibrate the HDR screen to be as dim as the LDR screen they’ll look the same” isn’t a great argument.
  - sillysaurusx 6y ago
    So turn up the brightness of the LDR screen to match the HDR screen. The brightness isn't why HDR is HDR. I didn't say to turn down the brightness of the HDR screen. I said the brightness per area must match. Using maximum brightness often harms color reproducibility too, by the way. So if you believe brighter = better, don't.
    - pixel_fcker 6y ago
      No the dynamic range and wider color gamut is. Your argument is that 10-bit sRGB doesn’t give you anything over 8-bit sRGB, which I don’t agree with but it’s reasonable. But that’s not what HDR is. 8bpc is definitely not enough to represent HDR Rec.2020 or DCI-P3 without significant banding.
- Jonnax 6y ago
  You're referencing a study, perhaps find it to back up your point. Because 8 vs 10 bit colour in sky photography is quite obvious

If you measure this in a rigorous, scientific way, you will be forced to conclude that 8-bit RGB is enough. The reasons why are interesting, but it has to do with how the eye processes images and color. Remember, you can turn your screen as bright as you want. But it doesn't help the content appear more "real" or "better" or "HDR-like". Therefore, HDR is simply "the ability to discern between different levels of color." And if you try to measure exactly how many levels of color a human can discern, the answer is no more than the 256^3 available via 8-bit RGB. The precise claim: if you have two screens next to each other, one 8-bit RGB and one 10-bit RGB, and both screens are color calibrated / brightness calibrated identically, and the viewing conditions are identical for both screens, then if you blindfold someone and put them in front of a random screen, they will be unable to say "Ah, this is the 10-bit RGB screen!" more than random chance.

tjoff 6y ago
If you show a grayscale gradient anyone not legally blind would pick the 10bit display in a fraction of a second.
- sillysaurusx 6y ago
  Grayscale gradients, yes. Anything else, no. That was what researchers discovered.
  - tjoff 6y ago
    So the answer is: yes. 10-bit also comes with much better calibration precision where the translation isn't done in the display itself.
  - mixmastamyk 6y ago
    Monochrome, not grayscale. For example, many shades of blue in a high-contrast photo of the sky.
pixel_fcker 6y ago
“If you calibrate the HDR screen to be as dim as the LDR screen they’ll look the same” isn’t a great argument.
- sillysaurusx 6y ago
  So turn up the brightness of the LDR screen to match the HDR screen. The brightness isn't why HDR is HDR. I didn't say to turn down the brightness of the HDR screen. I said the brightness per area must match. Using maximum brightness often harms color reproducibility too, by the way. So if you believe brighter = better, don't.
  - pixel_fcker 6y ago
    No the dynamic range and wider color gamut is. Your argument is that 10-bit sRGB doesn’t give you anything over 8-bit sRGB, which I don’t agree with but it’s reasonable. But that’s not what HDR is. 8bpc is definitely not enough to represent HDR Rec.2020 or DCI-P3 without significant banding.
Jonnax 6y ago
You're referencing a study, perhaps find it to back up your point. Because 8 vs 10 bit colour in sky photography is quite obvious