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Gold standard? They have not been previously used on us humans and there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines. I'll take J&J's '66%' over

by martin1975 6y ago

Gold standard? They have not been previously used on us humans and there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines. I'll take J&J's '66%' over any mRNA vaccine.

coding123 6y ago
Downvotes without replies again. It is definitely worth debate. What if J&J's second shot gets it up to the same 95%? (even if they are not advocating a second shot at this time) After all, these vaccines do not prevent the virus directly, they're just there to coax the body to produce new things. Both teach the body about the spike protein. It does seem like the mRNA vaccines are given a not-yet-due congratulations on every medium I see yet mRNA vaccines have absolutely zero history of pandemic ending at this time. Yes that may change, but to call them a gold standard now that's just not accurate.
- jamesrcole 6y ago
  > Downvotes without replies again. Looking at that comment it might be because it just asserts “there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines” without any explanation or sources.
djrogers 6y ago
Claiming that there are ‘far more side effects’ is more than a little disingenuous, and smacks of either ignorance or willful misrepresentation of the facts here.
- coding123 6y ago
  Can you help me find the covid-19 side effects tracking website? I can't seem to find it. In fact I can't find anything that's enumerating the data publicly. I can't answer your comment at all without any data.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    The US has various vaccine trackers for side effects. They are anyone can put anything in them. (including things like alien abduction), but they give us a guide as to what is reported. Something like 1 in 100,000 has an allergic reaction in 15 minutes and needs treatment (an epi-pen). That is the only side effect I've heard of. The numbers of allergic reaction are different for Moderna and Pfizer. If you have a history of allergies you should consult your allergist for advice. The above numbers are public, but I'm not sure where I read them. As always I'm just a guy on the internet, if you need medical advice see a doctor.
    - zerocrates 6y ago
      VAERS would be the usual source for this kind of thing, and it's publicly available.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    So how can there be claims like ‘there are more side effects’ without any data? You don’t get to make claims and then require someone else to provide data to disprove them. If you make the claim you have to provide the data yourself.
ulfw 6y ago
>> there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines Please list those. Should be easy as you claim there's so many of them. Also please prove how often those many side effects occur. Thank you.

Gold standard? They have not been previously used on us humans and there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines. I'll take J&J's '66%' over any mRNA vaccine.

coding123 6y ago

Downvotes without replies again. It is definitely worth debate. What if J&J's second shot gets it up to the same 95%? (even if they are not advocating a second shot at this time) After all, these vaccines do not prevent the virus directly, they're just there to coax the body to produce new things. Both teach the body about the spike protein. It does seem like the mRNA vaccines are given a not-yet-due congratulations on every medium I see yet mRNA vaccines have absolutely zero history of pandemic ending at this time. Yes that may change, but to call them a gold standard now that's just not accurate.

jamesrcole 6y ago
> Downvotes without replies again. Looking at that comment it might be because it just asserts “there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines” without any explanation or sources.

djrogers 6y ago

Claiming that there are ‘far more side effects’ is more than a little disingenuous, and smacks of either ignorance or willful misrepresentation of the facts here.

coding123 6y ago
Can you help me find the covid-19 side effects tracking website? I can't seem to find it. In fact I can't find anything that's enumerating the data publicly. I can't answer your comment at all without any data.
- bluGill 6y ago
  The US has various vaccine trackers for side effects. They are anyone can put anything in them. (including things like alien abduction), but they give us a guide as to what is reported. Something like 1 in 100,000 has an allergic reaction in 15 minutes and needs treatment (an epi-pen). That is the only side effect I've heard of. The numbers of allergic reaction are different for Moderna and Pfizer. If you have a history of allergies you should consult your allergist for advice. The above numbers are public, but I'm not sure where I read them. As always I'm just a guy on the internet, if you need medical advice see a doctor.
  - zerocrates 6y ago
    VAERS would be the usual source for this kind of thing, and it's publicly available.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  So how can there be claims like ‘there are more side effects’ without any data? You don’t get to make claims and then require someone else to provide data to disprove them. If you make the claim you have to provide the data yourself.

ulfw 6y ago

>> there are far more side-effects w/mRNA than traditional vaccines Please list those. Should be easy as you claim there's so many of them. Also please prove how often those many side effects occur. Thank you.