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Are you aware that one of the largest political issues in the US right now is exactly that: a complete lack of trust and respect in the police and how they go a

by moate 6y ago

Are you aware that one of the largest political issues in the US right now is exactly that: a complete lack of trust and respect in the police and how they go about their jobs? A popular slogan in the US is ACAB (All Cops Are Bastards) This is a comment on an article about how cops need to stop lying to people during investigations. I'm glad you think your cops are great, but we're trying to talk about how to reform them, we already know there is a problem. US police can lie to you in order to get information, in addition to a host of other abuses. Saying "be honest to cops and everything will be fine" feels a bit glib.

Fnoord 6y ago
Yeah, I'm aware of that. ACAB in my country is forbidden, because its insulting a civil servant in office. If police are not allowed to lie while civilians can lie, the police are in a severe disadvantage. Perhaps the balance is tipped the wrong way, but the mere notion that police are allowed to lie isn't wrong in itself.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  > ACAB in my country is forbidden The authoritarian worship in this comment really says enough about the totalitarianism of your country. Police are public servants. As such everything they do or say should be held under perjury. Police, leaders, government officials, lawyers, judges should know more about the laws than average citizens to. Being in a position of authority and having that power should come great responsibility, so great in fact that you should have to serve 3x the prison sentence for betraying that trust. Same should go as well for ethics violations for clergy, medical professionals, teachers, etc. you said earlier if it was your family who was murdered you'd hope the police would do something, no? What if it was the police who murdered your family? In L.A. the police are in actual "cliques" which are basically "gangs" with special tattoos and other gang related rights of passage. How do you trust the police when https://reddit.com/r/policebrutality2020 https://reddit.com/r/policebrutality2020 has thousands of links of police hurting people, yet when people in the "in group" that they respect (white nationalists) try to destroy the foundations of our democracy, they step aside and let it happen?
  - Fnoord 6y ago
    The totalitarianism in my country? I'm from The Netherlands, one of the most free and democratic countries in the world. With regards to police brutality, its a one sided view. Its an angle from a camera, from one point of view. It lacks different views, it lacks context. A body cam can show the context from the police PoV. To give an example [1] shows a woman who gets blasted by a water cannon. These are meant to drive people apart. However, at that point, these people were in an area where a demonstration (which was escalating into a riot and pillaging). The area was at that point forbidden to be (which always happens for a reason). If you don't listen to such, you're on your own. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6IaWXIUc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6IaWXIUc0

by moate 6y ago

Fnoord 6y ago

Yeah, I'm aware of that. ACAB in my country is forbidden, because its insulting a civil servant in office. If police are not allowed to lie while civilians can lie, the police are in a severe disadvantage. Perhaps the balance is tipped the wrong way, but the mere notion that police are allowed to lie isn't wrong in itself.

gremlinsinc 6y ago
> ACAB in my country is forbidden The authoritarian worship in this comment really says enough about the totalitarianism of your country. Police are public servants. As such everything they do or say should be held under perjury. Police, leaders, government officials, lawyers, judges should know more about the laws than average citizens to. Being in a position of authority and having that power should come great responsibility, so great in fact that you should have to serve 3x the prison sentence for betraying that trust. Same should go as well for ethics violations for clergy, medical professionals, teachers, etc. you said earlier if it was your family who was murdered you'd hope the police would do something, no? What if it was the police who murdered your family? In L.A. the police are in actual "cliques" which are basically "gangs" with special tattoos and other gang related rights of passage. How do you trust the police when https://reddit.com/r/policebrutality2020 https://reddit.com/r/policebrutality2020 has thousands of links of police hurting people, yet when people in the "in group" that they respect (white nationalists) try to destroy the foundations of our democracy, they step aside and let it happen?
- Fnoord 6y ago
  The totalitarianism in my country? I'm from The Netherlands, one of the most free and democratic countries in the world. With regards to police brutality, its a one sided view. Its an angle from a camera, from one point of view. It lacks different views, it lacks context. A body cam can show the context from the police PoV. To give an example [1] shows a woman who gets blasted by a water cannon. These are meant to drive people apart. However, at that point, these people were in an area where a demonstration (which was escalating into a riot and pillaging). The area was at that point forbidden to be (which always happens for a reason). If you don't listen to such, you're on your own. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6IaWXIUc0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm6IaWXIUc0