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Facebook: “Your honor, Apple implemented a prompt to ask people whether they want 3rd parties to track them, using their own data.” Judge: “Case closed.”
by akmarinov 6y ago
Facebook: “Your honor, Apple implemented a prompt to ask people whether they want 3rd parties to track them, using their own data.”
Judge: “Case closed.”
- ardit33 6y agoif apple does similar tracking themselves, but don't allow third parties, then FB might actually have a case there...
- zepto 6y agoThey don’t
- m00x 6y agoSource?
- zepto 6y agoIt’s widely known that Apple asks for an opt-in explicitly for user data collection. It doesn’t require a ‘source’ to check this. If you have a source showing that they are doing tracking without consent, that would be relevant, and would indeed favor facebook’s case.
- shuckles 6y agoNone of their apps use data for tracking according to their nutrition labels.
- izacus 6y agoWell, it can be more like "Your honor, Apple demanded that all their competitors implement a prompt to ask people whether they want tracking, but their own tracking is hidden under "System services" [macOS] or under another separate, by default enabled, switch [iOS]. They also demand that our Messenger discloses list of collected data, while apple's iMessage messenger does not disclose the data collected by Apple corporation as part of their iCloud service suite." Facebook is a scummy company. But Apple is hiding their own tracking under default opt-in switches and using double standards as well. It's funny that their own apps don't disclose all the data that iCloud collects and uses for basic functionality like messaging. Having BOTH corporations honestly disclose what they collect would be the biggest win for us.
- quickthrowman 6y agoApple doesn’t sell user data, totally different than Facebook.
- justapassenger 6y agoThey "sell" user data in exactly the same way, just on smaller scale. They have ads in appstore, that are based on your behavior.
- kergonath 6y agoYou say that, but everything I have seen mentions that Apple does not track users. The recommendations in the App Store depend only on other apps you have bought already, which does not imply tracking across different apps, which is what Facebook is whining about. If you have a proof that they behave otherwise, that would be useful, but as things are you cannot just write a sentence like that without any supporting evidence.
- justapassenger 6y agoParent comment wasn't about Facebook collecting data from different apps, just about "selling" user data. Both Apple and Facebook do it. Facebook doesn't sell you data of people, they sell you ability to have people interact with your ads. Apple doesn't sell you data of the people, they sell you ability to have people download your apps.
- kergonath 6y ago> they sell you ability to have people download your apps. How do you construct that as “selling user data”? Does my local farmers’ market sell my data because I can go there and buy some food every week? This “both sides” argument is just as wrong as when it is used in other contexts.
- viscanti 6y agoThis feels like false equivalency. Sure, it would be great if consumers had better visibility into how data is used, but one company is an ads company where the users are the product and the other sells hardware and services.