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>the iPhone-maker abused its power in the smartphone market by forcing app developers to abide by App Store rules that Apple’s own apps don’t have to follow Ye

by eznzt 6y ago

>the iPhone-maker abused its power in the smartphone market by forcing app developers to abide by App Store rules that Apple’s own apps don’t have to follow Yeah... So?

damagednoob 6y ago
That could be seen as abusing their monopoly. Judges tend to take a dim view of that.
- dleslie 6y ago
  Apple does not have a monopoly any more than Ford or Toyota do.
  - damagednoob 6y ago
    Using your analogy, Ford/Toyota would own the roads. IANAL but this strikes me a lot like the lawsuits Microsoft was being slapped with in the 90s/2000s[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commissio...
    - dleslie 6y ago
      Er, no. Using my analogy T-Mobile et al own the roads.
    - threeseed 6y ago
      Microsoft had a dominant market share within the computing industry. At one point it was as high as 95%. Apple is not remotely close to that.
- roywiggins 6y ago
  First Apple needs to be found to have a monopoly.
  - izacus 6y ago
    Didn't Apple fans happily report that Apple collects 120% of all mobile profits? That majority of phones sold in US are iPhones? That Apple market share became majority last year in US?
    - roywiggins 6y ago
      I'm not saying it is or isn't, just that arguing Apple really is a monopoly is going to be a large part of Facebook's case.
  - viscanti 6y ago
    Second, consumer harm needs to be proven.
    - eznzt 6y ago
      Where is the consumer harm in not allowing Facebook to track users between apps?
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    No, it doesn't. Colloquial definitions of monopoly do not matter when it comes to antitrust laws[1]: > Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...

by eznzt 6y ago

>the iPhone-maker abused its power in the smartphone market by forcing app developers to abide by App Store rules that Apple’s own apps don’t have to follow Yeah... So?

damagednoob 6y ago

That could be seen as abusing their monopoly. Judges tend to take a dim view of that.

dleslie 6y ago
Apple does not have a monopoly any more than Ford or Toyota do.
- damagednoob 6y ago
  Using your analogy, Ford/Toyota would own the roads. IANAL but this strikes me a lot like the lawsuits Microsoft was being slapped with in the 90s/2000s[1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commission https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Commissio...
  - dleslie 6y ago
    Er, no. Using my analogy T-Mobile et al own the roads.
  - threeseed 6y ago
    Microsoft had a dominant market share within the computing industry. At one point it was as high as 95%. Apple is not remotely close to that.
roywiggins 6y ago
First Apple needs to be found to have a monopoly.
- izacus 6y ago
  Didn't Apple fans happily report that Apple collects 120% of all mobile profits? That majority of phones sold in US are iPhones? That Apple market share became majority last year in US?
  - roywiggins 6y ago
    I'm not saying it is or isn't, just that arguing Apple really is a monopoly is going to be a large part of Facebook's case.
- viscanti 6y ago
  Second, consumer harm needs to be proven.
  - eznzt 6y ago
    Where is the consumer harm in not allowing Facebook to track users between apps?
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  No, it doesn't. Colloquial definitions of monopoly do not matter when it comes to antitrust laws[1]: > Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power — that is, the long term ability to raise price or exclude competitors. That is how that term is used here: a "monopolist" is a firm with significant and durable market power. [1] https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...