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It is indeed illegal for you to lie to them, and many things you might construe as "not a lie" they could construe as "a lie", so yes, you get jail time for som

It is indeed illegal for you to lie to them, and many things you might construe as "not a lie" they could construe as "a lie", so yes, you get jail time for something they're doing in the course of their job. The standards _don't_ apply in both directions. Any interaction with the police is inherently imbalanced. They get to stand wherever they want (often in groups), in body armor, with guns and handcuffs and the permission to arrest you (or shoot you!) at any point in time, if you say/do the right mix of things. If you've _never told them anything_ or _agreed to sit in a room with them_, you're much less likely to be prosecuted for lying to them. > Officer, I do not talk to police. If they arrest you: > Officer, I do not talk to police. etc. You might spend a night or a month in jail, but it's better than 5 years for a murder you didn't commit, but the officer was pushing hard to get one more conviction before closing out FY2021

saurik 6y ago
While practical advice for the current state of affairs, it is irrelevant here as the whole point here is that we don't like the current state of affairs: they shouldn't get to lie to people from their position of authority and asymmetric requirements, and if it can be proven that they lied to the suspect it should be something a lawyer can use to invalidate testimony (which might be brutal for the ability to convict the person, leading to police being trained to not do it, etc.).
- Spooky23 6y ago
  There's a spectrum of dishonesty and different ethical considerations. "Don't lie" sounds like a no-brainer, but there is alot of complexity baked in. Is the issue the use of deception to investigate crime or making specific types of dishonest statements?
  - saurik 6y ago
    FWIW, my direct and immediate issues are when the system lies to people about the way the system works. The power imbalance is already ridiculously high when someone has you in custody--momentarily, temporarily, or permanently--that it seems entirely unconscionable to me that the system then further gets to lie to you about your status or what will happen to you next.
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saurik 6y ago

While practical advice for the current state of affairs, it is irrelevant here as the whole point here is that we don't like the current state of affairs: they shouldn't get to lie to people from their position of authority and asymmetric requirements, and if it can be proven that they lied to the suspect it should be something a lawyer can use to invalidate testimony (which might be brutal for the ability to convict the person, leading to police being trained to not do it, etc.).

Spooky23 6y ago
There's a spectrum of dishonesty and different ethical considerations. "Don't lie" sounds like a no-brainer, but there is alot of complexity baked in. Is the issue the use of deception to investigate crime or making specific types of dishonest statements?
- saurik 6y ago
  FWIW, my direct and immediate issues are when the system lies to people about the way the system works. The power imbalance is already ridiculously high when someone has you in custody--momentarily, temporarily, or permanently--that it seems entirely unconscionable to me that the system then further gets to lie to you about your status or what will happen to you next.

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