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> they’re probably the first name that pops into people heads when you say “abuse of peoples data” > I don’t think Apple gives a shit about Facebook. Why the h

by _qulr 6y ago

> they’re probably the first name that pops into people heads when you say “abuse of peoples data” > I don’t think Apple gives a shit about Facebook. Why the hell would they? There’s no profit in targeting them specifically. I think you answered your own question. :-) Facebook is a convenient punching bag. Which is the point of an Orwellian enemy, who isn't actually an enemy except for the need of some enemy.

avianlyric 6y ago
Your premise is still based on the idea that Apple has deliberately made out that Facebook is their enemy, but you’ve provided zero evidence for this. You claim that Apple have implied Facebook, but are you sure it isn’t just you incorrectly inferring Facebook? If I say “I believe that company’s that abuse my data are bad, and we should do something about that” have I also made Facebook an Orwellian enemy?
- _qulr 6y ago
  > you’ve provided zero evidence for this. You claim that Apple have implied Facebook There were dozens, maybe hundreds of news media stories yesterday stating that Apple was attacking Facebook, so it's not just me. Here are 2 examples: https://gizmodo.com/tim-its-pronounced-facebook-1846152682 https://gizmodo.com/tim-its-pronounced-facebook-1846152682 https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-facebook-184333398.html https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-fa... Moreover, the original comment that I replied to said "Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook", so I'm not even the first one in these comments to make the suggestion. Some commenters are acting like this all came from me, but it didn't. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25958158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25958158
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Now we've come full circle. You claim Apple "Created" an Orwellian enemy. But all Cook did was describe a company which spies on people to make money, We didn't need him to call out who it is because everyone knows who it is based on the Orwellian description. Yet Apple somehow (You claim) "Created" them. Facebook is this Orwellian, we all know it based on what we know about Facebook. Tim Cook didn't fabricate this, it's public knowledge.
    - _qulr 6y ago
      I said: "This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors" In other words, Apple is creating an enemy for themselves, an enemy of Apple. When in fact the two companies are not enemies in the business sense of having competing products, and indeed Apple profits directly from the In App Purchases in the Facebook app — IAP which do exist, contrary to several other false claims in these comments — and profits indirectly by having Facebook in their App Store. Facebook too has profited and become more popular by being on iPhone and the App Store. But now Apple's App Store is under serious scrutiny, not to mention lawsuits, so Apple is looking to justify its lockdown, and "privacy" fits the bill there, despite the fact that Facebook has always been "creepy", since the beginning of the App Store and before. The purpose of an "Orwellian" enemy is to justify the heavy-handed control of the rulers and to distract the populace from that situation. "Good thing we have Apple's strict App Store rules to protect us from evildoers like Facebook!"
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        This whole idea is convoluted. We're talking about adding a permission the user can select. This is increasing the amount of control users have over their device. Yet you want to use this bizarre Machiavellian scheme to try and make it look like some sinister Apple Plot. Guess what. Adding a dialog that warns me people are trying to spy on me isn't bad. Ever.

by _qulr 6y ago

avianlyric 6y ago

Your premise is still based on the idea that Apple has deliberately made out that Facebook is their enemy, but you’ve provided zero evidence for this. You claim that Apple have implied Facebook, but are you sure it isn’t just you incorrectly inferring Facebook? If I say “I believe that company’s that abuse my data are bad, and we should do something about that” have I also made Facebook an Orwellian enemy?

_qulr 6y ago
> you’ve provided zero evidence for this. You claim that Apple have implied Facebook There were dozens, maybe hundreds of news media stories yesterday stating that Apple was attacking Facebook, so it's not just me. Here are 2 examples: https://gizmodo.com/tim-its-pronounced-facebook-1846152682 https://gizmodo.com/tim-its-pronounced-facebook-1846152682 https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-facebook-184333398.html https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-fa... Moreover, the original comment that I replied to said "Apple knows they're going toe-to-toe with Facebook", so I'm not even the first one in these comments to make the suggestion. Some commenters are acting like this all came from me, but it didn't. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25958158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25958158
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Now we've come full circle. You claim Apple "Created" an Orwellian enemy. But all Cook did was describe a company which spies on people to make money, We didn't need him to call out who it is because everyone knows who it is based on the Orwellian description. Yet Apple somehow (You claim) "Created" them. Facebook is this Orwellian, we all know it based on what we know about Facebook. Tim Cook didn't fabricate this, it's public knowledge.
  - _qulr 6y ago
    I said: "This feels to me like Apple creating a convenient Orwellian enemy. They're not even competitors" In other words, Apple is creating an enemy for themselves, an enemy of Apple. When in fact the two companies are not enemies in the business sense of having competing products, and indeed Apple profits directly from the In App Purchases in the Facebook app — IAP which do exist, contrary to several other false claims in these comments — and profits indirectly by having Facebook in their App Store. Facebook too has profited and become more popular by being on iPhone and the App Store. But now Apple's App Store is under serious scrutiny, not to mention lawsuits, so Apple is looking to justify its lockdown, and "privacy" fits the bill there, despite the fact that Facebook has always been "creepy", since the beginning of the App Store and before. The purpose of an "Orwellian" enemy is to justify the heavy-handed control of the rulers and to distract the populace from that situation. "Good thing we have Apple's strict App Store rules to protect us from evildoers like Facebook!"
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      This whole idea is convoluted. We're talking about adding a permission the user can select. This is increasing the amount of control users have over their device. Yet you want to use this bizarre Machiavellian scheme to try and make it look like some sinister Apple Plot. Guess what. Adding a dialog that warns me people are trying to spy on me isn't bad. Ever.