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Many just want to screw the hedge funds, finally it's their blood in the water.

markbnj 6y ago
I don't get this. I can't imagine the professional investor class is still blindly following their shorts. They're all out by now, aren't they? If the "little guys" are making money I tend to think it's coming from other little guys.
- NationalPark 6y ago
  The "short" (haha) answer is that we just don't know what the funds have done during the last week. They're incentivized to mislead the public about closing their positions. But the technical reasons the gamma squeeze happened and possible short squeeze today could happen still make sense: the equity has oversubscribed short interest and a skyrocketing price.
  - tayo42 6y ago
    I'm kind of amazed how little transparency there is in the stock market. Everyone seems to be guessing. The unequal amount of information for regular people is really unfair and seems like an easy situation for corruption to take place
- disgrunt 6y ago
  No. Apparently other hedge funds got in line behind Melvin with even more aggressive shorts.
- Anon1096 6y ago
  The truth of the matter is that hedge funds and institutions are quietly the ones actually pumping these stocks. Reddit likes to paint a narrative that they are in control, but when their messiah has 50MM max of securities and options, meanwhile single trades are going through worth over 700MM, the narrative just doesn't make sense. This is a battle of Wall Street vs Wall Street with some retailers playing along as pawns. Most likely, starry eyed retailers are going to be the ones holding the bag when it all comes down because they're playing a game without even knowing who they're up against. As for the shorts, Melvin and Citron are out but new shorters get in every day. The higher the price goes the more incentive there is to short. Most will probably lose money as the bubble inflates. But a few will make out like kings when it pops.
- xapata 6y ago
  Why would you short when you can buy a put option?
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - Gladdyu 6y ago
    Your gain in delta (due to the stock moving) will be offset by your loss in vega (due to the volatility coming off after the impending crash). Option fair value is a function of both underlying price and volatility, which is currently at unprecedentedly high values.
  - quickthrowman 6y ago
    IV crush
- reggieband 6y ago
  Believe it or not there is strong evidence that more shorts are being added. Consider a potential attitude that Citadel is going to get away with this blocking. I mean, maybe ... just maybe ... they'll get an SEC fine of a few hundred million (while protecting many hedge funds from billions in losses). In a worst case scenario a sacrificial scapegoat or two goes to a minimum security country club or house arrest for 6 months/1 year. But that will take a few months/years to come to pass and public sentiment will be much less hot. So they're probably gonna force the price down to unwind existing shorts. So, since there is a potential that the price will be pushed down due to the above ... doesn't it make sense to open a new short position?
nullc 6y ago
The "their" in your sentence can be read as ambiguous as to which parties its referring to, aptly. With crud like rwsb posters asking if letting their deep in-the-money calls expire unassigned will screw the funds more-- it may well be the case that it isn't fund blood in the water that you see in this feeding frenzy, at least not anymore.
teeray 6y ago
Absolutely. Many view this as a donation to a political cause that has tangible outcomes. The ROI is watching hedge funds implode.
- iso1631 6y ago
  I bunged in $50 into GME this morning because why the hell not. If pubs ever reopen I can spend another $50 on a round of drinks with mates and legitimately say "we took on the wall street parasites". The truth doesn't matter, the end doesn't matter, the tale is the reward.
  - gowld 6y ago
    I can do that for half the price by skipping the first $50 and starting with tall tales in the pub.
    - misterS 6y ago
      But I bet the beer would not taste as good.
dleslie 6y ago
Of course! Many are living hand-to-mouth in dismal conditions and unable to afford basic necessary expenses, while they see robber barons making a killing by putting thousands of already-poor people out of work. Hating the hedge funds is rational, for many.
- xapata 6y ago
  Irrational, but understandable.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    It can be rational to hate those who actively seek to harm you. Emotion isn't necessarily irrational, so long as the reasons for emotion are well-founded.

I don't get this. I can't imagine the professional investor class is still blindly following their shorts. They're all out by now, aren't they? If the "little guys" are making money I tend to think it's coming from other little guys.

NationalPark 6y ago
The "short" (haha) answer is that we just don't know what the funds have done during the last week. They're incentivized to mislead the public about closing their positions. But the technical reasons the gamma squeeze happened and possible short squeeze today could happen still make sense: the equity has oversubscribed short interest and a skyrocketing price.
- tayo42 6y ago
  I'm kind of amazed how little transparency there is in the stock market. Everyone seems to be guessing. The unequal amount of information for regular people is really unfair and seems like an easy situation for corruption to take place
disgrunt 6y ago
No. Apparently other hedge funds got in line behind Melvin with even more aggressive shorts.
Anon1096 6y ago
The truth of the matter is that hedge funds and institutions are quietly the ones actually pumping these stocks. Reddit likes to paint a narrative that they are in control, but when their messiah has 50MM max of securities and options, meanwhile single trades are going through worth over 700MM, the narrative just doesn't make sense. This is a battle of Wall Street vs Wall Street with some retailers playing along as pawns. Most likely, starry eyed retailers are going to be the ones holding the bag when it all comes down because they're playing a game without even knowing who they're up against. As for the shorts, Melvin and Citron are out but new shorters get in every day. The higher the price goes the more incentive there is to short. Most will probably lose money as the bubble inflates. But a few will make out like kings when it pops.
xapata 6y ago
Why would you short when you can buy a put option?
- deleted 6y ago
  [deleted]
- Gladdyu 6y ago
  Your gain in delta (due to the stock moving) will be offset by your loss in vega (due to the volatility coming off after the impending crash). Option fair value is a function of both underlying price and volatility, which is currently at unprecedentedly high values.
- quickthrowman 6y ago
  IV crush
reggieband 6y ago
Believe it or not there is strong evidence that more shorts are being added. Consider a potential attitude that Citadel is going to get away with this blocking. I mean, maybe ... just maybe ... they'll get an SEC fine of a few hundred million (while protecting many hedge funds from billions in losses). In a worst case scenario a sacrificial scapegoat or two goes to a minimum security country club or house arrest for 6 months/1 year. But that will take a few months/years to come to pass and public sentiment will be much less hot. So they're probably gonna force the price down to unwind existing shorts. So, since there is a potential that the price will be pushed down due to the above ... doesn't it make sense to open a new short position?

nullc 6y ago

The "their" in your sentence can be read as ambiguous as to which parties its referring to, aptly. With crud like rwsb posters asking if letting their deep in-the-money calls expire unassigned will screw the funds more-- it may well be the case that it isn't fund blood in the water that you see in this feeding frenzy, at least not anymore.

teeray 6y ago

Absolutely. Many view this as a donation to a political cause that has tangible outcomes. The ROI is watching hedge funds implode.

iso1631 6y ago
I bunged in $50 into GME this morning because why the hell not. If pubs ever reopen I can spend another $50 on a round of drinks with mates and legitimately say "we took on the wall street parasites". The truth doesn't matter, the end doesn't matter, the tale is the reward.
- gowld 6y ago
  I can do that for half the price by skipping the first $50 and starting with tall tales in the pub.
  - misterS 6y ago
    But I bet the beer would not taste as good.

dleslie 6y ago

Of course! Many are living hand-to-mouth in dismal conditions and unable to afford basic necessary expenses, while they see robber barons making a killing by putting thousands of already-poor people out of work. Hating the hedge funds is rational, for many.

xapata 6y ago
Irrational, but understandable.
- dleslie 6y ago
  It can be rational to hate those who actively seek to harm you. Emotion isn't necessarily irrational, so long as the reasons for emotion are well-founded.