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Some dictionaries seem to disagree with you: – a person who is not a member of the police or the armed forces https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/e

Some dictionaries seem to disagree with you: – a person who is not a member of the police or the armed forces https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/civilian https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/civil... – one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian – a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilian https://www.dictionary.com/browse/civilian I’m a little curious, why should they be considered civilians?

kwhitefoot 6y ago
> why should they be considered civilians? Because they are. Robert Peel was insistent on exactly that point when he set up the police force in the UK. See, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles Edit: corrected URL
- cannabis_sam 6y ago
  No, they are not. They are literally instruments of the government’s monopoly on violence. I have no idea why you reference a dead politician’s antiquated analysis of the role of the police.. shit has happened since 1850, and I personally believe catholics should not be barred from parliament. Also, not everyone lives in the UK. Edit: as an example: what’s “sir” Robert Peel’s view on facial recognition...?
  - kwhitefoot 6y ago
    > Also, not everyone lives in the UK. Also quite a substantial number of people don't live in the US. So as I said in another comment, perhaps we should all annotate our comments with information regarding the jurisdiction in which the information applies.
  - Maha-pudma 6y ago
    Not everyone lives in America which is what most of this thread seems to be about. No idea why you're mentioning Catholics in the UK Parliament. Unless its an attempt at discrediting the previous commenters statement. We certainly refer to them as the civi-police in the military. Though we don't have the gun issues the US has, but that seems based on an antiquated amendment even older the Peels analysis.
    - cannabis_sam 6y ago
      > No idea why you're mentioning Catholics in the UK Parliament. Look up Robert Peel

kwhitefoot 6y ago

> why should they be considered civilians? Because they are. Robert Peel was insistent on exactly that point when he set up the police force in the UK. See, for instance, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_principles Edit: corrected URL

cannabis_sam 6y ago
No, they are not. They are literally instruments of the government’s monopoly on violence. I have no idea why you reference a dead politician’s antiquated analysis of the role of the police.. shit has happened since 1850, and I personally believe catholics should not be barred from parliament. Also, not everyone lives in the UK. Edit: as an example: what’s “sir” Robert Peel’s view on facial recognition...?
- kwhitefoot 6y ago
  > Also, not everyone lives in the UK. Also quite a substantial number of people don't live in the US. So as I said in another comment, perhaps we should all annotate our comments with information regarding the jurisdiction in which the information applies.
- Maha-pudma 6y ago
  Not everyone lives in America which is what most of this thread seems to be about. No idea why you're mentioning Catholics in the UK Parliament. Unless its an attempt at discrediting the previous commenters statement. We certainly refer to them as the civi-police in the military. Though we don't have the gun issues the US has, but that seems based on an antiquated amendment even older the Peels analysis.
  - cannabis_sam 6y ago
    > No idea why you're mentioning Catholics in the UK Parliament. Look up Robert Peel