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It's about time. This was bound to happen sooner or later. This realization that Big Social media is not a place for free thought or discussion. We will revert

It's about time. This was bound to happen sooner or later. This realization that Big Social media is not a place for free thought or discussion. We will revert back to the internet that was 15 years ago. Where if you wanted information you had to work for it, and if you wanted a good discussion you had to find it. Facebook, Twitter is now TV. One way media spoon feeding its users. Sub-cultures will grow stronger and this honeymoon phase with centralized social media is over. I'm glad.

fuball63 6y ago
I think there's also valuable side effects here. If you want to start your own community off of corporate sites, you'll have to learn a little about deploying websites, webhosting, maybe a bit of PHP. Maybe you'll learn about organizing and promotion. When you're forced to make your own thing, a lot of good can come from it. This will certainly not be a mainstream approach, but I compare it to the DIY punk ethos of the 80's, specifically in the skateboarder culture. The for-profit skateparks of the 70's closed, so people had to build their own ramps, organize contests with zines, make their own music. This was all done while promoting others to build their own scene too. It ended up revitalizing skateboarding, until it became corporate again, and waned. It's a constant cycle. I think in terms of internet communities, we currently find ourselves in the "most centralized and corporate" end; but its starting to turn.
danaris 6y ago
> We will revert back to the internet that was 15 years ago. How? What will make people—not people like us, who have eschewed Facebook for years, but those who still rely on it not just for connection to their friends and family, but for news and information—abandon Facebook, start questioning its neutrality as a platform, or generally change anything about how they have been behaving? What you suggest will only happen if we force Facebook to change. And honestly, I'm not sure if there's a way to make Facebook change that would not leave it still massively prone to manipulation, echo chambers, and bubbles, even if the people in charge genuinely want to eliminate those things.
- INTPenis 6y ago
  It's already happening. Remember what it was like 15 years ago? Technically minded people hosted message boards for small to medium sized special interest groups. All that's changed now is we can federate between these "message boards".
bg24 6y ago
>> Where if you wanted information you had to work for it, and if you wanted a good discussion you had to find it. This is an important statement. One argument can be that most of the population do not have any interest in finding the truth. It is same in the age of social media, and was the same before. Social media just exacerbated the problem. Facebook is a company. It has a community security/trust team. That team drives the community direction by some rules (manual or learned and automated through data). Banning the leftwing thinkers is wrong, unless they violate the guidelines.

fuball63 6y ago

I think there's also valuable side effects here. If you want to start your own community off of corporate sites, you'll have to learn a little about deploying websites, webhosting, maybe a bit of PHP. Maybe you'll learn about organizing and promotion. When you're forced to make your own thing, a lot of good can come from it. This will certainly not be a mainstream approach, but I compare it to the DIY punk ethos of the 80's, specifically in the skateboarder culture. The for-profit skateparks of the 70's closed, so people had to build their own ramps, organize contests with zines, make their own music. This was all done while promoting others to build their own scene too. It ended up revitalizing skateboarding, until it became corporate again, and waned. It's a constant cycle. I think in terms of internet communities, we currently find ourselves in the "most centralized and corporate" end; but its starting to turn.

danaris 6y ago

> We will revert back to the internet that was 15 years ago. How? What will make people—not people like us, who have eschewed Facebook for years, but those who still rely on it not just for connection to their friends and family, but for news and information—abandon Facebook, start questioning its neutrality as a platform, or generally change anything about how they have been behaving? What you suggest will only happen if we force Facebook to change. And honestly, I'm not sure if there's a way to make Facebook change that would not leave it still massively prone to manipulation, echo chambers, and bubbles, even if the people in charge genuinely want to eliminate those things.

INTPenis 6y ago
It's already happening. Remember what it was like 15 years ago? Technically minded people hosted message boards for small to medium sized special interest groups. All that's changed now is we can federate between these "message boards".

bg24 6y ago

>> Where if you wanted information you had to work for it, and if you wanted a good discussion you had to find it. This is an important statement. One argument can be that most of the population do not have any interest in finding the truth. It is same in the age of social media, and was the same before. Social media just exacerbated the problem. Facebook is a company. It has a community security/trust team. That team drives the community direction by some rules (manual or learned and automated through data). Banning the leftwing thinkers is wrong, unless they violate the guidelines.