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> This is the moment free speech advocates have been warning about for generations. [...] Yesterday, however, a line was crossed. As a free speech advocate --
by danShumway 6y ago
> This is the moment free speech advocates have been warning about for generations. [...] Yesterday, however, a line was crossed.
As a free speech advocate -- no, it's not. It is censorship, but it's not the moment. It's not crossing a special line that's never been crossed before.
The stuff that free speech advocates warn about is stuff that already happens regularly, and while it's valid to talk about the effects of the crackdown on WSB, and while I'm happy to see more people learning about the issues that we face on the Internet, WSB isn't special. Talk to the people making adult games on Steam, talk to the app devs trying to make experimental content on iOS, talk to businesses affected by our online payment systems, talk to sex workers who get driven out of society and lose their jobs because of doxing, talk to the social justice activists and whistleblowers that get targeted by law enforcement and added to no-fly lists.
WSB is just another example to add to the list. This isn't a watershed moment, it's just a moment, consistent with what many other communities have already experienced online and within the US.
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To be clear, I'm not just being argumentative about this for the sake of being argumentative. Understanding that this situation isn't unprecedented is important.
Whenever these stories get run, there are many people who show up who aren't familiar with the extensive groundwork that has gone into building a consistent ideology about free speech and into building workable solutions around decentralization and regulation. When events like this happen, sometimes those people come into the free speech debate and propose solutions that are unworkable, because they want to skip the hard part of going and looking at the work and research that already exist. They treat the censorship that is affecting them personally as if it's an isolated, special, new category of censorship that requires novel solutions. Usually, it doesn't.
The end result of that process is that we get important discussions about online payment systems, Net Neutrality, and decentralization hijacked by people who don't understand how Section 230 works, and who believe that Conservative censorship online is some kind of watershed moment that justifies bringing back the Fairness Doctrine. We get people arguing that these kinds of changes are somehow reverse ToS violations, and that calling out WSB's more problematic language is somehow some kind of libel, or who think that freedom of association is a 1st Amendment bug instead of a feature.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be incensed at this kind of censorship, but I am saying, this happens all the time to lots of communities who don't have voices, and your community is not the breaking point or last bastion of free speech, your community is just another example. It is good if that wakes you up to understanding the problems we're facing with censorship online, but please if you're in that position go read up on the situation from people and organizations like Doctorow, Popehat, the EFF, the Free Software Foundation, and the ACLU before you start proposing your own solutions.
It's frustrating to be part of a movement that has an extensive history, and then to see a large portion of that history thrown away because Conservatives and amateur stock traders think that their censorship is an unprecedented situation that requires special solutions.
I want the censorship of WSB to open people up to the idea that censorship is real and dangerous. But I want them to be motivated by that to learn more about free speech advocacy, not to just propose reactionary solutions and to act like the current situation is unprecedented. It does a disservice to the many much more marginalized communities, (communities that don't have bipartisan advocates cheering them on and constant coverage from mainstream websites and TV stations) to act like this censorship is somehow more important or insidious than theirs. That kind of attitude is harmful both because it encourages people to think about censorship in lazy ways, and because it understates the problem.
WSB isn't a watershed moment in censorship -- they're lucky. Public outrage got them reinstated in Discord. Censorship on Robinhood is going to lead to Congressional meetings. They're getting wide coverage on cable news. Most communities online don't get that privilege.
- zpeti 6y agoThanks for the input! (I wrote the article). I agree with a lot of it. Maybe the reason its a watershed moment, is that when censorship happens and its on the side of wall street banks, I think for 99% of people the penny starts to drop what the hell is happening here. Up until now a lot of it was justified by many many people as protecting protected classes etc. Well, its not quite that any more is it?
- danShumway 6y ago> Up until now a lot of it was justified by many many people as protecting protected classes Some of it was justified that way. Steam's war on adult games wasn't. The use of lawsuits/libel laws to shut down critics isn't justified that way. FOSTA-SESTA wasn't (reasonably) justified that way. The "cancel-culture" debate has always been an extremely narrow part of the free speech debate, and has always been a little bit problematic because it attracts people who don't understand how freedom of association works and how to balance that with more general (but still valid) concerns about cultural censorship and othering. Most real free speech debate and advocacy happens outside of the framing of Conservatives vs Liberals. People should be thinking about free speech more broadly, and they should be considering not just the censorship they see in service of protecting marginalized communities/classes, but also the less publicized censorship that directly affects those communities. I'm trying to walk a line, because I don't want to discourage people from waking up, but do I do want people who are incensed about WSB to realize is that WSB is in an enormously privileged position right now, and compared to the history of many other communities, their censorship is mild and temporary.
- mr_woozy 6y agoI appreciate your reply comment. What would is your opinion on private platforms such as Reddit, Twitter et al. and their obligation to not shut down or restrict dialogue or discussion. It is my opinion that since they're a private company and explicitly state so in their terms they're under no (legal) obligations whatsoever to maintain users ability to comment. They're not the government and therefore can do as they please in this regard and people would be wise to remember such lessons when investing time and energy into privately owned platforms. I'd be interested in your opinion however.