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> There are no environmental restrictions here you could grow for as long as user needs grow. All this demand for software and ever changing needs, and more cl
by dimitrios1 6y ago
> There are no environmental restrictions here you could grow for as long as user needs grow.
All this demand for software and ever changing needs, and more cloud computing environment is coming from somewhere. You want to know where?
Merely 2 decades ago, the average household had one computer in the house, and it was typically a desktop, and the adults and teenagers had had cellphones.
Now, almost everyone that is middle class or above has multiple computing devices in their possession at all times. Every member of the family has their own laptop or tablet and cellphone, probably even a smartwatch or two, even kids as young as 4. There's probably multiple TV screens and gaming consoles as well. Devices that are designed to be replaced in a mere 2-3 years through planned obsolesce. We have more cheap shit than ever before and it gets thrown in the trash at an ever increasing rate. There are screens literally everywhere now: My gas station pump, the wine and beer isle at my grocery store, at the checkout line, walking out into the parking lot, on my wrist, in my pocket, at my coffee shop, in my restaurants.
That results in more companies needing to have digital presences, more apps, more games, more features, more data collection and spyware tracking you around the internet, more ML models being trained and draining energy, more crypto-mining and 4,000 watt PSU's coming online, so on and so forth.
All this stuff requires an ever increasing amount of rare earth materials and burned fossil fuels to produce and operate.
- dukeyukey 6y agoThat kind of economic growth requires more resources, but not all does. When Google tweaks a caching algorithm to enable 10% more with the same hardware/energy input, that contributes to economic growth with less resources. Same as if we discovered a new steel smelting technique that uses 10% less coking coal for the same quality steel.
- bluetomcat 6y ago> When Google tweaks a caching algorithm to enable 10% more with the same hardware/energy input, that contributes to economic growth with less resources. Sure, but that also increases Google's net profit and allows its users to make more queries. That profit is then maybe invested to penetrate new market segments like transportation or hardware production, or is distributed among CEOs who buy bigger houses and more cars. In essence, the efficiency gains of improving the algorithm are lost because of the free-flowing streams of capital.
- Raidion 6y agoI don't think it allows its users to make more queries. When is the last time you've done a google search and have seen "too many queries, try again later"? The efficiency gains of improving the algorithm ARE free-flowing streams of capital.
- dukeyukey 6y agoBut when was the last time you went on a site like Reddit just to be greeted with a "Our CDN is overloaded" page or similar?