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So instead we should increase the risk of death and injury instead of safely picking people up once things deescalate? I don't think that's lazy by any measure.

ausbah 6y ago
is it literally not the job of the police to stop events like this? of course their safety needs to be considered to a degree, but any perceived threat isn't a reason for them to just act as a glorified clean up crew
- roenxi 6y ago
  Police are here to deal with a few deviants here and there who act up. They aren't really meant to be a tool to break up mass political action.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    Sure, in an ideal world. But every big city police department is at decently trained and equipped for dealing with riots at our expense. So if we're gonna pay for that stupidity we may as well get the benefit of it.
- tacocataco 6y ago
  "...the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens..." (1) (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb...
  - kwhitefoot 6y ago
    Doesn't apply in the circumstances of this event since it happened in London, England.
- UI_at_80x24 6y ago
  Policing in North America as we know it today arose in the south from Overseer's and slavery. [0][1] Their job has always been to protect the rich, keep minorities and the lower classes oppressed. [0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-... [1] https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-a...
  - dimitrios1 6y ago
    Give me a break. Enough with this 1619 style revisionist history that views the history of the world through the lens of black people being slaves. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. It's way too lazy to assume that everything has such a simple answer.
    - bluntfang 6y ago
      I definitely agree that nothing has such a simple answer, but isn't it a little dishonest to ignore the fact that the US was built on the back of slave labor?
      - dimitrios1 6y ago
        There was a period of US history where a particular region of the country was primarily (although certainly not singularly, and certainly not to the extent 1619 chaplains would have you believe) resourced through slave labor, specifically plantation style slavery which indeed was formed in this region, yes, but that is much more nuanced discussion and tosses out this whole grandiose vision of America being a big power struggle between white men cracking whips at black people. Btw not sure who is flagging you for asking an honest question. This is how people learn and refine their thinking.
        bluntfang 6y ago
        Yes, and that period has had a lasting impact on the black community for 200 years.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
If i report someome trying to kill me, i'd very much prefer the police to act immediately
- Thiez 6y ago
  Don't worry sir, we'll dispatch a camera drone immediately. Please keep within a well-lit area. With video evidence the perp will almost certainly be convicted.
- tacocataco 6y ago
  IANAL, but I was under the impression that the police have no obligation help people. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb...
  - fakedang 6y ago
    Oh my God, your country truly is fucked up, isn't it? I've lived in police states where the laws aren't steaming garbage like that.
pepperonipizza 6y ago
If we let these events continue until they die down, wouldn't that create more of a risk that a death happens than the police intervening to try to stop it?
- rtkwe 6y ago
  It's a tough decision to make, police getting involved to break up crowds often escalates the violence from that crowd, look at all the protests here in the US that were mostly peaceful and get escalated by police response. Now there's a new thing to be mad about and it's unlikely to go away because the police are hard to disengage once they decide they should.
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    That is 100% on HOW the police do it. In the BLM protests, the police were entirely the aggressors, looking for a fight.

ausbah 6y ago

is it literally not the job of the police to stop events like this? of course their safety needs to be considered to a degree, but any perceived threat isn't a reason for them to just act as a glorified clean up crew

roenxi 6y ago
Police are here to deal with a few deviants here and there who act up. They aren't really meant to be a tool to break up mass political action.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  Sure, in an ideal world. But every big city police department is at decently trained and equipped for dealing with riots at our expense. So if we're gonna pay for that stupidity we may as well get the benefit of it.
tacocataco 6y ago
"...the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens..." (1) (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb...
- kwhitefoot 6y ago
  Doesn't apply in the circumstances of this event since it happened in London, England.
UI_at_80x24 6y ago
Policing in North America as we know it today arose in the south from Overseer's and slavery. [0][1] Their job has always been to protect the rich, keep minorities and the lower classes oppressed. [0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-... [1] https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-a...
- dimitrios1 6y ago
  Give me a break. Enough with this 1619 style revisionist history that views the history of the world through the lens of black people being slaves. It doesn't even pass the sniff test. It's way too lazy to assume that everything has such a simple answer.
  - bluntfang 6y ago
    I definitely agree that nothing has such a simple answer, but isn't it a little dishonest to ignore the fact that the US was built on the back of slave labor?
    - dimitrios1 6y ago
      There was a period of US history where a particular region of the country was primarily (although certainly not singularly, and certainly not to the extent 1619 chaplains would have you believe) resourced through slave labor, specifically plantation style slavery which indeed was formed in this region, yes, but that is much more nuanced discussion and tosses out this whole grandiose vision of America being a big power struggle between white men cracking whips at black people. Btw not sure who is flagging you for asking an honest question. This is how people learn and refine their thinking.
      - bluntfang 6y ago
        Yes, and that period has had a lasting impact on the black community for 200 years.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

If i report someome trying to kill me, i'd very much prefer the police to act immediately

Thiez 6y ago
Don't worry sir, we'll dispatch a camera drone immediately. Please keep within a well-lit area. With video evidence the perp will almost certainly be convicted.
tacocataco 6y ago
IANAL, but I was under the impression that the police have no obligation help people. [1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb...
- fakedang 6y ago
  Oh my God, your country truly is fucked up, isn't it? I've lived in police states where the laws aren't steaming garbage like that.

pepperonipizza 6y ago

If we let these events continue until they die down, wouldn't that create more of a risk that a death happens than the police intervening to try to stop it?

rtkwe 6y ago
It's a tough decision to make, police getting involved to break up crowds often escalates the violence from that crowd, look at all the protests here in the US that were mostly peaceful and get escalated by police response. Now there's a new thing to be mad about and it's unlikely to go away because the police are hard to disengage once they decide they should.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  That is 100% on HOW the police do it. In the BLM protests, the police were entirely the aggressors, looking for a fight.