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We saw the same in London after the 2012 riots. Instead of stopping the rioting and looting the police let it go on and then took all the cctv and arrested the
by mnd999 6y ago
We saw the same in London after the 2012 riots. Instead of stopping the rioting and looting the police let it go on and then took all the cctv and arrested the perpetrators after the event.
It’s lazy policing, hundreds of shops got damaged and looted simply because for whatever reason the police wouldn’t do what people want them to do. Stop people committing crime at the time.
- pdkl95 6y ago> lazy policing From Susan Landau's 2016 testimony[1] before the House Judiciary Committee regarding Apple's encryption on the San Bernardino shooter's iphone: >> "Instead of embracing the communications and device security we so badly need for securing US public and private data, law enforcement continues to press hard to undermine security in the misguided desire to preserve simple, but outdated, investigative techniques." >> "We need 21st century techniques to secure the data that 21st century enemies—organized crime and nation-state attackers—seek to steal and exploit. Twentieth century approaches that provide law enforcement with the ability to investigate but also simplify exploitations and attacks are not in our national security interest. Instead of laws and regulation that weaken our protections, we should enable law enforcement to develop 21st century capabilities for conducting investigations." >> "Developing such capabilities will involve deep changed for the Bureau, which remains agent-based, not technology-based." Whenever law enforcement complains that they need tools that give them access to more data they never mention that they have access to far more data than any point in history. Yes, some types of data they have used in the past may be going dark, but they have gained an incredible breadth of new tools. Unfortunately, learning new investigation techniques requires money, training, and effort. Shoveling as much data as possible onto the problem makes the actual investigation more difficult, but they do it anyway when it also acts de facto as another source of power. ~sigh~ This crap needs to be reigned in. Fast. [1] (pdf) https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20160301/104573/HHRG-114-JU00-Wstate-LandauS-20160301.pdf https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU00/20160301/104573/HHRG...
- prussian 6y agoSo instead we should increase the risk of death and injury instead of safely picking people up once things deescalate? I don't think that's lazy by any measure.
- ausbah 6y agois it literally not the job of the police to stop events like this? of course their safety needs to be considered to a degree, but any perceived threat isn't a reason for them to just act as a glorified clean up crew
- roenxi 6y agoPolice are here to deal with a few deviants here and there who act up. They aren't really meant to be a tool to break up mass political action.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoSure, in an ideal world. But every big city police department is at decently trained and equipped for dealing with riots at our expense. So if we're gonna pay for that stupidity we may as well get the benefit of it.
- tacocataco 6y ago"...the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to citizens..." (1) (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columb...
- kwhitefoot 6y agoDoesn't apply in the circumstances of this event since it happened in London, England.
- UI_at_80x24 6y agoPolicing in North America as we know it today arose in the south from Overseer's and slavery. [0][1] Their job has always been to protect the rich, keep minorities and the lower classes oppressed. [0] https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-of-the-police https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/the-invention-... [1] https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-a...
- ngold 6y agoThis. Lazy policing is everything that is wrong. Fire everyone and have a drone fly overhead that takes a picture a minute if you don't care about human privacy.
- bluntfang 6y agoi pick lazy over dishonest any day of the week.
- simonh 6y agoRiots are dangerous situations, I think they need to do both. Put in place a physical security presence to contain and limit the damage, and address he worst cases involving violence, but also consider that escalation may not be appropriate. In a riot it unlikely you're going to be able to quash it and clear it up completely, so you also need to make sure perpetrators don't get away without consequences. In the 2012 riots did the police really have no street presence at all? That's not what I remember.