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"Coup D'etat: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics" That doesn't fit the captiol protest very well. Sudden? Decisive? Exercise of force?

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago
It is unclear how the "alternative outcome" of January 6th might have gone. I'm a little skeptical that there was a carefully thought out and plausible "alternative outcome", but the sort of thing that some people have suggested was that the trump supporters would have taken control of the certification process in some important way (with or without actual violence towards various existing government members). This would have then led to Trump declaring some kind of emergency, the certification process would have "finished" with a different outcome, and a new winner of the election would have been declared. As I said, I am not sure I buy that anyone with half a brain thought that a plan could work, but there seems to be some supporting evidence that something like this had been imagined by at the very least some of the people at the protest. How far into the Trump administration that might have gone, I don't know (or if went into it at all). Had something like that happened, it would definitely have been a decisive, sudden show of force in politics.
nobody9999 6y ago
>"Coup D'etat: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics" >That doesn't fit the captiol protest very well. Sudden? Decisive? Exercise of force? Tell that to Brian Sicknick's[0] family. Or did you miss the part where five people died and dozens were injured? Or the smashed windows to force entry into the Capitol building, with some explicitly saying they were there to overturn the results of the election. Let's see. A mob overpowers the assembled security without warning. That's sudden. Check. An armed group stormed the Capitol, assaulted police and other folks, and by their own claims, wished to injure, take hostage and/or kill elected officials. Exercise of force. Check. That same group did so, again based on their own claims, to overturn legally certified election results. Political motive. Check. So please tell me, what doesn't fit the term "coup d'etat"? Or in this case, attempted coup d'etat? Note that just because it didn't succeed doesn't change the facts or the intent. If I walk into a bank and demand money, I'm still a bank robber even if I don't actually get any money. The analogy is fairly exact. [0] https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/what-we-know-about-the-5-people-who-died-during-riot-at-u-s-capitol/ https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/what-we-know-about-the-5-p...

PaulDavisThe1st 6y ago

It is unclear how the "alternative outcome" of January 6th might have gone. I'm a little skeptical that there was a carefully thought out and plausible "alternative outcome", but the sort of thing that some people have suggested was that the trump supporters would have taken control of the certification process in some important way (with or without actual violence towards various existing government members). This would have then led to Trump declaring some kind of emergency, the certification process would have "finished" with a different outcome, and a new winner of the election would have been declared. As I said, I am not sure I buy that anyone with half a brain thought that a plan could work, but there seems to be some supporting evidence that something like this had been imagined by at the very least some of the people at the protest. How far into the Trump administration that might have gone, I don't know (or if went into it at all). Had something like that happened, it would definitely have been a decisive, sudden show of force in politics.

nobody9999 6y ago

>"Coup D'etat: a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics" >That doesn't fit the captiol protest very well. Sudden? Decisive? Exercise of force? Tell that to Brian Sicknick's[0] family. Or did you miss the part where five people died and dozens were injured? Or the smashed windows to force entry into the Capitol building, with some explicitly saying they were there to overturn the results of the election. Let's see. A mob overpowers the assembled security without warning. That's sudden. Check. An armed group stormed the Capitol, assaulted police and other folks, and by their own claims, wished to injure, take hostage and/or kill elected officials. Exercise of force. Check. That same group did so, again based on their own claims, to overturn legally certified election results. Political motive. Check. So please tell me, what doesn't fit the term "coup d'etat"? Or in this case, attempted coup d'etat? Note that just because it didn't succeed doesn't change the facts or the intent. If I walk into a bank and demand money, I'm still a bank robber even if I don't actually get any money. The analogy is fairly exact. [0] https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/what-we-know-about-the-5-people-who-died-during-riot-at-u-s-capitol/ https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/what-we-know-about-the-5-p...