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What is your hope for reforming the ability of a single person to keep repeating a lie and nearly causing an insurrection?

alangibson 6y ago
I wouldn't say 'nearly'. The Capitol Riot definitely fit the standard definition of an insurrection. Your 'single person' straw man aside, I don't think the conduits of conversation are the right place to attack this problem. It's just far too risky to have utterly unaccountable businesses be in the business of policing what people say. I have the radical opinion that the police should be doing the policing. If people are criming online (threats of violence, planning to overthrow the government), they should get a visit from The Law.
preommr 6y ago
That it should be up to congress and law enforcement - people that are accountable to the public, to make these rules. Everything about what twitter did was stupid. They let him talk for years, and then finally stopped him at the worst time. They cancelled him when there was little more damage he could do and ruined ideas of free speech neutrality and it allowed his ilk to claim censorship and it helped with making him a martyr. Just absolute stupidity. Letting corporations deal with dangerous thought leaders is not a solution that has even the slimmest chance of working.
- alangibson 6y ago
  It's really hard not to think that Twitter's timing had alot to do with their stock price. It's hard to boot the user driving the most engagement on your platform.
chrisco255 6y ago
Voter fraud happened. There's video evidence of it occurring in State Farm Arena in Fulton County, GA. There's forensic evidence of 70% failure rates on voting machines in Antirim County, Michigan. There's 1000+ witness affidavits signed and presented under the penalty of perjury in various legislatures around the country. There's also statistical fraud detection algorithms that have numerous red flags with regards to the 2020 election. Repeating the lie that claims of fraud are unsubstantiated is the real problem. We have a broken, hackable electoral system with systemic issues.
- antiterra 6y ago
  State Farm Arena video doesn’t show fraud to any reasonable degree, at the absolute best it’s an irregularity. The Antirim report is massively flawed, written by an ‘expert’ with no credibility who used Minnesota counties to ‘prove’ Michigan fraud. Hand waving at ‘affidavits’ is not evidence. The statistics arguments don’t stand scrutiny when known limitations like sample size, turnout volatility and count completion are taken into account. Bundling together lots of individual garbage theories into giant piles doesn’t net you anything other than garbage theories, just like bundling bad mortgage securities didn’t mitigate risk in the subprime crisis. Instead of saying ‘lots of statistical algorithms,’ name one, or even two, that stand up to genuine scrutiny (and that aren’t the readily debunked Charles J. Cicchetti claims.) Don’t hide behind the sheer number of crackpot theories. Or, you know, admit you have nothing but a hunch based on cognitive dissonance.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    No, the Antirim report had nothing to do with Minnesota. It was ordered by a judge. It was a forensic audit of physical machines from Antirim County: https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/14/antrim-county-forensic-report-shows-manipulation-of-votes/ https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/14/antrim-county-forensic-repo... “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud.” Based on the study, the group concluded that the machines should not be used in Michigan nor should the election results in Antrim County be certified. In this county, the vote was actually corrected. And knowing these machines were capable of 70% error rates should have triggered a full statewide forensic audit in Michigan at the least. Heres the surveillance footage of 30K suitcase ballots with absolutely no chain of custody after the entire building was shut down and all poll watchers kicked out on the basis of a bullshit water pipe leak story, being counted between 11pm and 1am the night of the election: https://rumble.com/vblh33-attorney-jackie-pick-exposes-georgia-election-fraud-at-state-farm-arena-ele.html https://rumble.com/vblh33-attorney-jackie-pick-exposes-georg... At any rate, it's not a hunch. It's a fact. The election was stolen. We live in a banana republic.

alangibson 6y ago

I wouldn't say 'nearly'. The Capitol Riot definitely fit the standard definition of an insurrection. Your 'single person' straw man aside, I don't think the conduits of conversation are the right place to attack this problem. It's just far too risky to have utterly unaccountable businesses be in the business of policing what people say. I have the radical opinion that the police should be doing the policing. If people are criming online (threats of violence, planning to overthrow the government), they should get a visit from The Law.

preommr 6y ago

That it should be up to congress and law enforcement - people that are accountable to the public, to make these rules. Everything about what twitter did was stupid. They let him talk for years, and then finally stopped him at the worst time. They cancelled him when there was little more damage he could do and ruined ideas of free speech neutrality and it allowed his ilk to claim censorship and it helped with making him a martyr. Just absolute stupidity. Letting corporations deal with dangerous thought leaders is not a solution that has even the slimmest chance of working.

alangibson 6y ago
It's really hard not to think that Twitter's timing had alot to do with their stock price. It's hard to boot the user driving the most engagement on your platform.

chrisco255 6y ago

Voter fraud happened. There's video evidence of it occurring in State Farm Arena in Fulton County, GA. There's forensic evidence of 70% failure rates on voting machines in Antirim County, Michigan. There's 1000+ witness affidavits signed and presented under the penalty of perjury in various legislatures around the country. There's also statistical fraud detection algorithms that have numerous red flags with regards to the 2020 election. Repeating the lie that claims of fraud are unsubstantiated is the real problem. We have a broken, hackable electoral system with systemic issues.

antiterra 6y ago
State Farm Arena video doesn’t show fraud to any reasonable degree, at the absolute best it’s an irregularity. The Antirim report is massively flawed, written by an ‘expert’ with no credibility who used Minnesota counties to ‘prove’ Michigan fraud. Hand waving at ‘affidavits’ is not evidence. The statistics arguments don’t stand scrutiny when known limitations like sample size, turnout volatility and count completion are taken into account. Bundling together lots of individual garbage theories into giant piles doesn’t net you anything other than garbage theories, just like bundling bad mortgage securities didn’t mitigate risk in the subprime crisis. Instead of saying ‘lots of statistical algorithms,’ name one, or even two, that stand up to genuine scrutiny (and that aren’t the readily debunked Charles J. Cicchetti claims.) Don’t hide behind the sheer number of crackpot theories. Or, you know, admit you have nothing but a hunch based on cognitive dissonance.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  No, the Antirim report had nothing to do with Minnesota. It was ordered by a judge. It was a forensic audit of physical machines from Antirim County: https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/14/antrim-county-forensic-report-shows-manipulation-of-votes/ https://uncoverdc.com/2020/12/14/antrim-county-forensic-repo... “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors. The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail. This leads to voter or election fraud.” Based on the study, the group concluded that the machines should not be used in Michigan nor should the election results in Antrim County be certified. In this county, the vote was actually corrected. And knowing these machines were capable of 70% error rates should have triggered a full statewide forensic audit in Michigan at the least. Heres the surveillance footage of 30K suitcase ballots with absolutely no chain of custody after the entire building was shut down and all poll watchers kicked out on the basis of a bullshit water pipe leak story, being counted between 11pm and 1am the night of the election: https://rumble.com/vblh33-attorney-jackie-pick-exposes-georgia-election-fraud-at-state-farm-arena-ele.html https://rumble.com/vblh33-attorney-jackie-pick-exposes-georg... At any rate, it's not a hunch. It's a fact. The election was stolen. We live in a banana republic.