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More, Repairable smartphones, with various choices for operating systems from brands which doesn't seem to exhibit hypocrisy when it comes their values - http

More, Repairable smartphones, with various choices for operating systems from brands which doesn't seem to exhibit hypocrisy when it comes their values - https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.fairphone.com/en/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.shiftphones.com/en/ https://www.shiftphones.com/en/ https://myteracube.com/ https://myteracube.com/ But when the parent said, > Abandon the smart phone crap It may not just be about open hardware/OS/Apps for smartphone but the hold the carrier has on the customer and therein privacy issues. This is a hard problem to solve because cellular services are oligopolies or even monopolies and amplified by lack of open modem/radio hardware. So ditching smartphones for a portable computer might be even a good option[1]. [1]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25917178 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25917178

fsflover 6y ago
> from brands which doesn't seem to exhibit hypocrisy when it comes their values This is a strong accusation. Which of those brands are recommended by the FSF [0]? Which of them are actually trying to change the industry with their investments (promoting freedom/privacy) [1]? Which of them are fighting against planned obsolescence by providing lifetime updates [2]? Given all that I am not sure who is a hypocrite. > So ditching smartphones for a portable computer might be even a good option Librem 5 is a portable computer [3]. [0] https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ [1] https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ [2] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#311-how-can-purism-provide-lifetime-software-updates-for-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... [3] https://puri.sm/posts/mobile-desktop-convergence/ https://puri.sm/posts/mobile-desktop-convergence/
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- Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
  My comment wasn't targeted at Purism, I hoped a break after 'More,' would have helped make that point but I should have used better grammar. Apart from that I stand by what I said.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    Then whom did you accuse of hypocrisy and why?
    - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
      Not OP, but common sense is telling me the answer you seek is "other companies not in the list by OP"
swiley 6y ago
I have a pinephone. Once the modem manager stuff gets up streamed (so MMS works) and the distros make it easier to update the modem firmware (or they start shipping with updated firmware from the factory) these will probably be in the "just turn it on and use it" state. There's been an insane degree of improvement in the software over the past 6 months.

fsflover 6y ago

> from brands which doesn't seem to exhibit hypocrisy when it comes their values This is a strong accusation. Which of those brands are recommended by the FSF [0]? Which of them are actually trying to change the industry with their investments (promoting freedom/privacy) [1]? Which of them are fighting against planned obsolescence by providing lifetime updates [2]? Given all that I am not sure who is a hypocrite. > So ditching smartphones for a portable computer might be even a good option Librem 5 is a portable computer [3]. [0] https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ https://www.fsf.org/givingguide/v11/ [1] https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ https://puri.sm/posts/breaking-ground/ [2] https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Frequently-Asked-Questions#311-how-can-purism-provide-lifetime-software-updates-for-the-librem-5 https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... [3] https://puri.sm/posts/mobile-desktop-convergence/ https://puri.sm/posts/mobile-desktop-convergence/

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Abishek_Muthian 6y ago
My comment wasn't targeted at Purism, I hoped a break after 'More,' would have helped make that point but I should have used better grammar. Apart from that I stand by what I said.
- fsflover 6y ago
  Then whom did you accuse of hypocrisy and why?
  - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
    Not OP, but common sense is telling me the answer you seek is "other companies not in the list by OP"

swiley 6y ago

I have a pinephone. Once the modem manager stuff gets up streamed (so MMS works) and the distros make it easier to update the modem firmware (or they start shipping with updated firmware from the factory) these will probably be in the "just turn it on and use it" state. There's been an insane degree of improvement in the software over the past 6 months.