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It was clearly taken over by folks intending to have it shut down because it did not look like that prior to this GME bet gaining media attention. There is a lo

It was clearly taken over by folks intending to have it shut down because it did not look like that prior to this GME bet gaining media attention. There is a lot of extremely questionable things happening around this event leading me to think that some very wealthy people are trying to prevent their shorts getting blown up at all costs. Even on HN I’ve been seeing weird posts on these threads.

ryneandal 6y ago
Eh, that blatant offensive nature is a 4chan holdover, which WSB proudly embraces. Plenty of millennials are former /b/ browsers, now in their 30s and some with plenty of disposable income. I've struggled with this in some friend groups, particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  > I've struggled with this in some friend groups, particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. Can you elaborate this some more? Are you saying that you've struggled with this because people take that 4chan attitude they grew up with into their IRL lives and are assholes to your son with ASD?
  - optimiz3 6y ago
    What needs to be elaborated? Question feels voyeuristic.
    - mlyle 6y ago
      Figuring out just how they're assholes in real life helps understand and contextualize the problem better. Are they oblivious, or dropping offensive memes at his kid, etc?
      - brewdad 6y ago
        Does it really matter? If you reach your mid-30s and haven't figured out that mocking someone with ASD is wrong, I'm not going to waste my time educating you. I'll simply cut you out of my life, gradually or all at once. The royal "you", not you specifically.
        ryneandal 6y ago
        This is precisely it. A willful ignorance when referring to awkward people as "autists" along with tasteless WSB quotes.
        whimsicalism 6y ago
        ?? I asked the question more because I was just curious if there are legitimately like mid-30 year old groups of friends that haven't grown out of this "4chan attitude" of using the n-word, calling people "autists", etc. I didn't ask out of a sense of voyeurism. More like a, "dang, is this something I need to watch out for when I get older?"
  - ryneandal 6y ago
    Essentially, yes. Whether it's playful or not, a lot of the memes on a place like WSB are incredibly demeaning.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      Cheers. And yes, I'm totally aware of how awful and toxic those parts of the internet are, but usually those toxic and awful people hide it more when you talk to them in real life.
      - ryneandal 6y ago
        I’ve found many who are very outspoken in these communities have little to no filter in real life.
    - odessacubbage 6y ago
      most of that is self aware deprecation from other autists. frankly being able to joke and shittalk with eachother makes it a lot easier to deal with having autism and everything that comes with it.
- fastball 6y ago
  So "it was funny until it was relevant to me personally, then it wasn't"? Strong moral backbone ya got there.
  - ryneandal 6y ago
    You've just described the premise of growing into an adult. Congratulations.
    - fastball 6y ago
      Not really? Children frequently demonstrate the same behavior. Laugh at the kid with X problem until you have a problem yourself, and now you dislike bullies. Growing older and realizing in general that things you did when you were younger are bad is fine and dandy, and indeed is "growing up". But only deciding things are bad when they personally effect you has nothing to do with growing older and is not a good look. It's just selfish myopia. Being an adult with a consistent moral framework is about being able to say "this is right or wrong", regardless of if it effects you personally or not. If you only notice something is bad when it happens to you, then that's basically what kids do automatically.
      - ryneandal 6y ago
        Adolescence vs adulthood is the timeline here. Consider this: you read this anecdote and thought “I’m going to belittle this guy.” Says a lot about _your_ morals.
        fastball 6y ago
        Huh, that's strange, because the comment I read said: > ...particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism... Which to me says the dichotomy in particular is "before autism personally affected me" and "after autism personally affected me". Calling people "autists" as a joke is either problematic and worth calling out or it isn't. You being personally affected doesn't change that. At least that is what I would argue is required from a consistent moral framework. Don't think that says much about my morals, just that I like them to be consistent / not myopic. Think about the thread we're posting in. This is basically about a company/industry that was like "these retail investors don't need protecting, they're adults and can make their own decisions, even if it means losing money", until those retails investors started costing them money with their adult decisions, at which point they change their mind and decide "actually they need protecting from themselves". The way you phrased your comment, it sounded like you did the same, just swap out financial shenanigans for name-calling.
nend 6y ago
>It was clearly taken over by folks intending to have it shut down because it did not look like that prior to this GME bet gaining media attention. That's one theory. Another would be that the gaining media attention caused an influx of users to join a group that equates itself to 4chan, causing moderation issues.
- ev1 6y ago
  This one is probably closer to my guess, it would be difficult to moderate half a million new users in a day with an existing mod base, and you can't really just hand out permissions to random memers saying "I'll help moderate" without risking that some nonzero amount of them will just cause havoc anyway.
  - ansible 6y ago
    Yes. The only thing I'd suggest is to call for volunteers from "sane" subreddits that seem to have a good moderation policy and reasonable moderators. The problem there is that the above people are already likely quite busy, and don't want to take on an additional (unpaid) burden by trying to clean up a sub they don't really care about.
- dijit 6y ago
  WSB is about the memes, I don't think it's at all similar to 4chan (especially not /b/) and I think it is dangerous for you to assassinate the character of the community in such a dismissive way. I'm not personally associated (not a member on the boards) but I've seen a lot of discussions float my way over the years and if it became that way now it's unlikely to be from 4chan itself (or a community like it). But your insinuation here gives credence to many that the internet is eating itself, when it's much more likely to be manipulation from those who stand to lose.
  - BobbyJo 6y ago
    Their tagline is (or was at least) 'if 4chan found a bloomberg terminal'. I say this as someone who frequented both communities at one time or another: they are very very very alike. I wouldn't be surprised if this who thing is a charade to take money from 'normies' as much a wall street.

ryneandal 6y ago

Eh, that blatant offensive nature is a 4chan holdover, which WSB proudly embraces. Plenty of millennials are former /b/ browsers, now in their 30s and some with plenty of disposable income. I've struggled with this in some friend groups, particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder.

whimsicalism 6y ago
> I've struggled with this in some friend groups, particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. Can you elaborate this some more? Are you saying that you've struggled with this because people take that 4chan attitude they grew up with into their IRL lives and are assholes to your son with ASD?
- optimiz3 6y ago
  What needs to be elaborated? Question feels voyeuristic.
  - mlyle 6y ago
    Figuring out just how they're assholes in real life helps understand and contextualize the problem better. Are they oblivious, or dropping offensive memes at his kid, etc?
    - brewdad 6y ago
      Does it really matter? If you reach your mid-30s and haven't figured out that mocking someone with ASD is wrong, I'm not going to waste my time educating you. I'll simply cut you out of my life, gradually or all at once. The royal "you", not you specifically.
      - ryneandal 6y ago
        This is precisely it. A willful ignorance when referring to awkward people as "autists" along with tasteless WSB quotes.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        ?? I asked the question more because I was just curious if there are legitimately like mid-30 year old groups of friends that haven't grown out of this "4chan attitude" of using the n-word, calling people "autists", etc. I didn't ask out of a sense of voyeurism. More like a, "dang, is this something I need to watch out for when I get older?"
- ryneandal 6y ago
  Essentially, yes. Whether it's playful or not, a lot of the memes on a place like WSB are incredibly demeaning.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    Cheers. And yes, I'm totally aware of how awful and toxic those parts of the internet are, but usually those toxic and awful people hide it more when you talk to them in real life.
    - ryneandal 6y ago
      I’ve found many who are very outspoken in these communities have little to no filter in real life.
  - odessacubbage 6y ago
    most of that is self aware deprecation from other autists. frankly being able to joke and shittalk with eachother makes it a lot easier to deal with having autism and everything that comes with it.
fastball 6y ago
So "it was funny until it was relevant to me personally, then it wasn't"? Strong moral backbone ya got there.
- ryneandal 6y ago
  You've just described the premise of growing into an adult. Congratulations.
  - fastball 6y ago
    Not really? Children frequently demonstrate the same behavior. Laugh at the kid with X problem until you have a problem yourself, and now you dislike bullies. Growing older and realizing in general that things you did when you were younger are bad is fine and dandy, and indeed is "growing up". But only deciding things are bad when they personally effect you has nothing to do with growing older and is not a good look. It's just selfish myopia. Being an adult with a consistent moral framework is about being able to say "this is right or wrong", regardless of if it effects you personally or not. If you only notice something is bad when it happens to you, then that's basically what kids do automatically.
    - ryneandal 6y ago
      Adolescence vs adulthood is the timeline here. Consider this: you read this anecdote and thought “I’m going to belittle this guy.” Says a lot about _your_ morals.
      - fastball 6y ago
        Huh, that's strange, because the comment I read said: > ...particularly after having a child diagnosed with an autism... Which to me says the dichotomy in particular is "before autism personally affected me" and "after autism personally affected me". Calling people "autists" as a joke is either problematic and worth calling out or it isn't. You being personally affected doesn't change that. At least that is what I would argue is required from a consistent moral framework. Don't think that says much about my morals, just that I like them to be consistent / not myopic. Think about the thread we're posting in. This is basically about a company/industry that was like "these retail investors don't need protecting, they're adults and can make their own decisions, even if it means losing money", until those retails investors started costing them money with their adult decisions, at which point they change their mind and decide "actually they need protecting from themselves". The way you phrased your comment, it sounded like you did the same, just swap out financial shenanigans for name-calling.

nend 6y ago

>It was clearly taken over by folks intending to have it shut down because it did not look like that prior to this GME bet gaining media attention. That's one theory. Another would be that the gaining media attention caused an influx of users to join a group that equates itself to 4chan, causing moderation issues.

ev1 6y ago
This one is probably closer to my guess, it would be difficult to moderate half a million new users in a day with an existing mod base, and you can't really just hand out permissions to random memers saying "I'll help moderate" without risking that some nonzero amount of them will just cause havoc anyway.
- ansible 6y ago
  Yes. The only thing I'd suggest is to call for volunteers from "sane" subreddits that seem to have a good moderation policy and reasonable moderators. The problem there is that the above people are already likely quite busy, and don't want to take on an additional (unpaid) burden by trying to clean up a sub they don't really care about.
dijit 6y ago
WSB is about the memes, I don't think it's at all similar to 4chan (especially not /b/) and I think it is dangerous for you to assassinate the character of the community in such a dismissive way. I'm not personally associated (not a member on the boards) but I've seen a lot of discussions float my way over the years and if it became that way now it's unlikely to be from 4chan itself (or a community like it). But your insinuation here gives credence to many that the internet is eating itself, when it's much more likely to be manipulation from those who stand to lose.
- BobbyJo 6y ago
  Their tagline is (or was at least) 'if 4chan found a bloomberg terminal'. I say this as someone who frequented both communities at one time or another: they are very very very alike. I wouldn't be surprised if this who thing is a charade to take money from 'normies' as much a wall street.