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It is a pump in the sense that none of the fundamentals of the company have changed between December and now, the main event has been people buying stock with t

It is a pump in the sense that none of the fundamentals of the company have changed between December and now, the main event has been people buying stock with the express purpose of enabling a short squeeze. Legally, there could be an argument for it being market manipulation.

llampx 6y ago
So nobody should ever buy a stock unless something material, as defined by you, has changed? Not because they think it'll go up in the future?
- koheripbal 6y ago
  Sure they can. But coordinating multiple people to do that is a classic pump and dump, and is explicitly illegal.
  - factsaresacred 6y ago
    Where's the coordination? People in subreddits are talking about what they are doing and others are choosing to do the same thing. No different from somebody on CNBC providing stock picks.
    - llampx 6y ago
      Exactly. CNBC is the biggest market manipulator with a huge mouthpiece. Anytime Cramer mentions a stock in favorable terms it goes up, at least short term. Meanwhile we know that he is friends with hedge funds and at least part of time is probably taking positions before going on TV. We give that a free pass but suddenly a loosely-organized internet forum is a problem.
      - koheripbal 6y ago
        There are two major differences... 1. If Cramer said "Hey, let's all buy this stock because there is a potential short squeeze.", then that would be illegal because it's attempting to create an artificial market pump through short squeezing. 2. Cramer is LICENSED to give investment advice. A licensed doctor can go on TV and make medical recommendations. Reddit specifically bans subs that try to do that.
Nimitz14 6y ago
It is clear from your comments you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop spreading misinformation. Read matt levine's twitter: https://twitter.com/matt_levine/status/1354129838806872073 https://twitter.com/matt_levine/status/1354129838806872073 and newsletter if you want to inform yourself.
disgrunt 6y ago
It is the hedge funds that are inflating the stock price because they have to cover their short positions. This is a short squeeze.

llampx 6y ago

So nobody should ever buy a stock unless something material, as defined by you, has changed? Not because they think it'll go up in the future?

koheripbal 6y ago
Sure they can. But coordinating multiple people to do that is a classic pump and dump, and is explicitly illegal.
- factsaresacred 6y ago
  Where's the coordination? People in subreddits are talking about what they are doing and others are choosing to do the same thing. No different from somebody on CNBC providing stock picks.
  - llampx 6y ago
    Exactly. CNBC is the biggest market manipulator with a huge mouthpiece. Anytime Cramer mentions a stock in favorable terms it goes up, at least short term. Meanwhile we know that he is friends with hedge funds and at least part of time is probably taking positions before going on TV. We give that a free pass but suddenly a loosely-organized internet forum is a problem.
    - koheripbal 6y ago
      There are two major differences... 1. If Cramer said "Hey, let's all buy this stock because there is a potential short squeeze.", then that would be illegal because it's attempting to create an artificial market pump through short squeezing. 2. Cramer is LICENSED to give investment advice. A licensed doctor can go on TV and make medical recommendations. Reddit specifically bans subs that try to do that.

Nimitz14 6y ago

It is clear from your comments you have no clue what you're talking about. Stop spreading misinformation. Read matt levine's twitter: https://twitter.com/matt_levine/status/1354129838806872073 https://twitter.com/matt_levine/status/1354129838806872073 and newsletter if you want to inform yourself.

disgrunt 6y ago

It is the hedge funds that are inflating the stock price because they have to cover their short positions. This is a short squeeze.