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In the end, it doesn't matter. These are email companies. But end to end encrypted email is a mess and hard to implement when everyone else doesn't follow a st

In the end, it doesn't matter. These are email companies. But end to end encrypted email is a mess and hard to implement when everyone else doesn't follow a standard. With or without EU's snooping what is more likely to happen is that people will migrate to messaging systems that the EU can't snoop: WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc. That will happen either because they're more private or because everyone else is there or because they offer a lot more features and less spam. I bet that when the EU tries to mess with the messaging players the public outcry will be much louder. For email, very few will care.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
> With or without EU's snooping what is more likely to happen is that people will migrate to messaging systems that the EU historic legislation and these plans suggest that there will be 2 forms of encryption: 1) Legal 2) Illegal. it doesn't matter if some niche technologies exist if people are unable to access them. even if they could they would not feel strongly enough to "break the law". This push has been noticeable only to specialists in the field (and the push is also unevenly distributed) but been ongoing in all 9-eye countries. France implemented snooping charter in 2015 by changing their constitution (using Charlie Hebdo[1] as excuse), the UK is on par with the US and needs no introduction, Australia has the AAbill[1] criminalizing employees if they do not act as moles in companies, Germany has its Bundestrojaner etc etc ... Australia is especially interesting as it is a tiny population and used as a test-bed for more salty US propaganda and to see what can be learned (in terms of messaging) before applied to a wider basis (e.g. one that is later always rolled out to the rest of the countries in the pact) All of them are driven by US interests and pressure (anyone wanting to become a member of the many eyes is well advised to implement SIGINT technologies and laws to facilitate Western espionage on their citizens. Public outcry won't matter, nobody cares because why would a sane person not working in Tech even think about topics like encryption - when this is all just to "catch the bad guys" and "only bad guys have something to hide anyway". [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-surveillance/french-constitutional-body-approves-eavesdropping-law-idUSKCN0PX2QF20150723 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-surveillance/frenc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia
b6z 6y ago
> These are email companies. ProtonMail and Tutanota, yes. Threema does secure messaging, Tresorit encrypted file hosting. > With or without EU's snooping what is more likely to happen is that people will migrate to messaging systems that the EU can't snoop: WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc. Well, at least here in Germany people are more likely to migrate away from WhatsApp to Threema, Signal or Telegram.

DyslexicAtheist 6y ago

> With or without EU's snooping what is more likely to happen is that people will migrate to messaging systems that the EU historic legislation and these plans suggest that there will be 2 forms of encryption: 1) Legal 2) Illegal. it doesn't matter if some niche technologies exist if people are unable to access them. even if they could they would not feel strongly enough to "break the law". This push has been noticeable only to specialists in the field (and the push is also unevenly distributed) but been ongoing in all 9-eye countries. France implemented snooping charter in 2015 by changing their constitution (using Charlie Hebdo[1] as excuse), the UK is on par with the US and needs no introduction, Australia has the AAbill[1] criminalizing employees if they do not act as moles in companies, Germany has its Bundestrojaner etc etc ... Australia is especially interesting as it is a tiny population and used as a test-bed for more salty US propaganda and to see what can be learned (in terms of messaging) before applied to a wider basis (e.g. one that is later always rolled out to the rest of the countries in the pact) All of them are driven by US interests and pressure (anyone wanting to become a member of the many eyes is well advised to implement SIGINT technologies and laws to facilitate Western espionage on their citizens. Public outcry won't matter, nobody cares because why would a sane person not working in Tech even think about topics like encryption - when this is all just to "catch the bad guys" and "only bad guys have something to hide anyway". [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-surveillance/french-constitutional-body-approves-eavesdropping-law-idUSKCN0PX2QF20150723 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-surveillance/frenc... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia

b6z 6y ago

> These are email companies. ProtonMail and Tutanota, yes. Threema does secure messaging, Tresorit encrypted file hosting. > With or without EU's snooping what is more likely to happen is that people will migrate to messaging systems that the EU can't snoop: WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc. Well, at least here in Germany people are more likely to migrate away from WhatsApp to Threema, Signal or Telegram.