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Where does discord say it's for free discussion? In two clicks I found their community guidelines on their website: https://discord.com/guidelines https://dis

by Jonnax 6y ago

Where does discord say it's for free discussion? In two clicks I found their community guidelines on their website: https://discord.com/guidelines https://discord.com/guidelines Second rule: "Do not organize, promote, or coordinate servers around hate speech. It’s unacceptable to attack a person or a community based on attributes such as their race, ethnicity, national origin, sex, gender, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, or disabilities." Calling someone a "retard" or "autist" is considered by Discord to be mocking people with disabilities. Also IRC exists and is still in use by many people. Anyone can set up a server.

namibj 6y ago
It's messed up when there are auto-banning bots that hit those with disabilities for speaking out on the issues they face in everyday life.
- maccard 6y ago
  Have you read the content on WSB? Here's a link that I found on the top of the top thread of the subreddit [0]. Let's be completely clear here, this isn't someone speaking out about issues they face in everyday life. > ive been folowing this saga since GME was 60 or so but sadly i was too afraid to become autistic, and have now gone full retard And this isn't an isolated comment, there are hundreds of comments like it in the 90k+ commetns on that thread, and in that subreddit. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6er79/the_gme_afterhours_thread_part_420_on_27_january/gl2mbyj/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6er79/the_...
  - coding_lobster 6y ago
    They probably meant that because the guidelines discord has setup are automated bots that occasionally hit innocent people while trying to enforce the rules. I think they were speaking in the broader context of Discord servers rather than the WSB Reddit or Discord specifically.
    - namibj 6y ago
      Yes, I was talking about hasanabi's discord server (a twitch channel) in particular, but I'm sure it's not alone and there are reasons. I don't blame them at all, it's the system that sets these incentives.
      - maccard 6y ago
        With all due respect, that's not what you said in your comment, and it read to me as an attempt to deliberately spread FUD about discord's moderation practices. If you're thinking of a specific incident, and introducing it as a discussion point, you need to actually mention it. Re-reading your original comment, I still can only read it as Discord banning WSB because people are speaking out about their real life issues
        namibj 6y ago
        It's not discord themselves who enact the harsh moderation (which quite often includes bots banning some words, with punishments from alerting a mod to banning you for a bit), but rather server "owners" who risk platforming if discord deems them unable to police themselves. The problem is, that discord uses certain criteria to determine if a server is able to police itself, and those criteria happen to be fairly harsh on repeat (even if swallowed by the noise/message stream) disability mocking. I'm criticizing the incentives Discord's polices create for moderation. I'm sorry my wording was bad. I certainly did not intend any FUD spreading.
    - maccard 6y ago
      Then they should make that clear, as the thread and the GP's comments are specifically about the situation with WSB. Otherwise, someone who comes in not knowing anything about the situation, and sees the comment and assumes that the WSB discord was banned because its uers were describing their day to day issues living with disabilities.
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betwixthewires 6y ago
I'm 100% with you. People that don't want their discussion controlled by a private entity with conflicting interests should absolutely not depend on that entity's services. Everyone upset about this should stop using discord.
mywacaday 6y ago
I saw a comment on WSB that said they have bots that remove all swear words etc but some people use unicode etc to write the words anyway. I don't know if its true but where is the line for a ban if a genuine effort is being made to moderate?
- Person5478 6y ago
  The worst part about this observation is that this is the very reason being given for why twitter isn't getting kicked off of AWS. Because they're putting in a good faith effort to moderate, it's just "hard". This is just about power and money, the chances that many of these HNers aren't losing money due to the actions of /wsb is low. I have no doubt many of the posters trying to defend the move are being a bit disingenuous. Not all for sure, but certainly some of them.

by Jonnax 6y ago

namibj 6y ago

It's messed up when there are auto-banning bots that hit those with disabilities for speaking out on the issues they face in everyday life.

maccard 6y ago
Have you read the content on WSB? Here's a link that I found on the top of the top thread of the subreddit [0]. Let's be completely clear here, this isn't someone speaking out about issues they face in everyday life. > ive been folowing this saga since GME was 60 or so but sadly i was too afraid to become autistic, and have now gone full retard And this isn't an isolated comment, there are hundreds of comments like it in the 90k+ commetns on that thread, and in that subreddit. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6er79/the_gme_afterhours_thread_part_420_on_27_january/gl2mbyj/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/l6er79/the_...
- coding_lobster 6y ago
  They probably meant that because the guidelines discord has setup are automated bots that occasionally hit innocent people while trying to enforce the rules. I think they were speaking in the broader context of Discord servers rather than the WSB Reddit or Discord specifically.
  - namibj 6y ago
    Yes, I was talking about hasanabi's discord server (a twitch channel) in particular, but I'm sure it's not alone and there are reasons. I don't blame them at all, it's the system that sets these incentives.
    - maccard 6y ago
      With all due respect, that's not what you said in your comment, and it read to me as an attempt to deliberately spread FUD about discord's moderation practices. If you're thinking of a specific incident, and introducing it as a discussion point, you need to actually mention it. Re-reading your original comment, I still can only read it as Discord banning WSB because people are speaking out about their real life issues
      - namibj 6y ago
        It's not discord themselves who enact the harsh moderation (which quite often includes bots banning some words, with punishments from alerting a mod to banning you for a bit), but rather server "owners" who risk platforming if discord deems them unable to police themselves. The problem is, that discord uses certain criteria to determine if a server is able to police itself, and those criteria happen to be fairly harsh on repeat (even if swallowed by the noise/message stream) disability mocking. I'm criticizing the incentives Discord's polices create for moderation. I'm sorry my wording was bad. I certainly did not intend any FUD spreading.
  - maccard 6y ago
    Then they should make that clear, as the thread and the GP's comments are specifically about the situation with WSB. Otherwise, someone who comes in not knowing anything about the situation, and sees the comment and assumes that the WSB discord was banned because its uers were describing their day to day issues living with disabilities.
  - deleted 6y ago
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betwixthewires 6y ago

I'm 100% with you. People that don't want their discussion controlled by a private entity with conflicting interests should absolutely not depend on that entity's services. Everyone upset about this should stop using discord.

mywacaday 6y ago

I saw a comment on WSB that said they have bots that remove all swear words etc but some people use unicode etc to write the words anyway. I don't know if its true but where is the line for a ban if a genuine effort is being made to moderate?

Person5478 6y ago
The worst part about this observation is that this is the very reason being given for why twitter isn't getting kicked off of AWS. Because they're putting in a good faith effort to moderate, it's just "hard". This is just about power and money, the chances that many of these HNers aren't losing money due to the actions of /wsb is low. I have no doubt many of the posters trying to defend the move are being a bit disingenuous. Not all for sure, but certainly some of them.