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By your standard every newspaper, every TV channel, every website that refuses to publish my views is censoring me. It's an absurd standard to call censorship.

By your standard every newspaper, every TV channel, every website that refuses to publish my views is censoring me. It's an absurd standard to call censorship. Discord has made no attempt to stop anyone saying anything, they're just chosen not to lend these people their megaphone.

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
This is one of the more stupid soundbites the pro-censorship crowd has come up with. A good red flag, though. Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used. That's different, practically and morally, from NBC not giving them a TV show.
- Kbelicius 6y ago
  > Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used. They did not give it without terms of usage so your point is mute.
  - ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
    Moot. Are Terms of Service above criticism now? Let's start with the basics. Forget the selective enforcement aspect and the lawyering over the definition of "censorship" - can anything a private company does with its private property ever be criticized?
    - Kbelicius 6y ago
      Thanks for the correction. Terms of service are not above criticism, did not say it and did not imply it. I don't understand how you came to think that considering that in your previous post there is no criticism of discords TOS. I was simply replaying to your statement that: "Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used.". I don't understand why anyone would think that the owner of the platform should not be able to dictate the terms of use of their platform or react if those terms are not followed.
      - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
        Lets apply this idea further: google maps could refuse to probide navigation to strip club, water company could cut off water supply if they think you are having a swinger party, and electric company could threaten to cut you off if you install solar panels. Do you want to live like that?
        Kbelicius 6y ago
        Can you point me to where I said that TOS can not be criticised or where I said that private entities can apply any rules they want? No? Can you then explain how what you wrote applies to what I wrote?
    - malka 6y ago
      as soon as this private property has become a public service, yes. It should be properly regulated.
      - anticensor 6y ago
        Discord is not a public utility. Discord guilds are not public service points either. All the services offered by Discord are strictly capped too. This is the opposite of what you get from a public utility.
- oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
  "Pro-censorship" is such a ridiculous, extremist term. You can't just pretend everyone in the world falls into either a "for" or "against" censorship group. Everybody (well, 99.99%, maybe) accepts that some censorship is necessary, but that not everything should be censored.
  - krspykrm 6y ago
    Moderation is when pornography is banned from r/programming. Censorship is when pornography is banned from r/pornography. Most pro-censorship voices motte-and-bailey the latter by conflating it with the former.
alpaca128 6y ago
Discord did lend these people their megaphone, though. What they did is like a news show interviewing a guest and then quickly cutting to advertisements because the guest started to make uncomfortable statements. And that sort of thing is very unusual in democratic countries, maybe unless a certain political figure starts spreading obvious misinformation with the goal of undermining the election process.
Person5478 6y ago
and it just "happened to be" done after the short fiasco. Or is your argument that they weren't using dirty words until after the fiasco started? That they can is not being argued, that they did it now is the issue. In the same vein, no one would argue that a male manager shouldn't be able to schedule a female employee on their shifts. But when that male manager asks for a date and is refused, the action takes on an entirely different tone.

ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago

This is one of the more stupid soundbites the pro-censorship crowd has come up with. A good red flag, though. Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used. That's different, practically and morally, from NBC not giving them a TV show.

Kbelicius 6y ago
> Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used. They did not give it without terms of usage so your point is mute.
- ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 6y ago
  Moot. Are Terms of Service above criticism now? Let's start with the basics. Forget the selective enforcement aspect and the lawyering over the definition of "censorship" - can anything a private company does with its private property ever be criticized?
  - Kbelicius 6y ago
    Thanks for the correction. Terms of service are not above criticism, did not say it and did not imply it. I don't understand how you came to think that considering that in your previous post there is no criticism of discords TOS. I was simply replaying to your statement that: "Discord reacted to how the platform they had already given was being used.". I don't understand why anyone would think that the owner of the platform should not be able to dictate the terms of use of their platform or react if those terms are not followed.
    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      Lets apply this idea further: google maps could refuse to probide navigation to strip club, water company could cut off water supply if they think you are having a swinger party, and electric company could threaten to cut you off if you install solar panels. Do you want to live like that?
      - Kbelicius 6y ago
        Can you point me to where I said that TOS can not be criticised or where I said that private entities can apply any rules they want? No? Can you then explain how what you wrote applies to what I wrote?
  - malka 6y ago
    as soon as this private property has become a public service, yes. It should be properly regulated.
    - anticensor 6y ago
      Discord is not a public utility. Discord guilds are not public service points either. All the services offered by Discord are strictly capped too. This is the opposite of what you get from a public utility.
oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
"Pro-censorship" is such a ridiculous, extremist term. You can't just pretend everyone in the world falls into either a "for" or "against" censorship group. Everybody (well, 99.99%, maybe) accepts that some censorship is necessary, but that not everything should be censored.
- krspykrm 6y ago
  Moderation is when pornography is banned from r/programming. Censorship is when pornography is banned from r/pornography. Most pro-censorship voices motte-and-bailey the latter by conflating it with the former.

alpaca128 6y ago

Discord did lend these people their megaphone, though. What they did is like a news show interviewing a guest and then quickly cutting to advertisements because the guest started to make uncomfortable statements. And that sort of thing is very unusual in democratic countries, maybe unless a certain political figure starts spreading obvious misinformation with the goal of undermining the election process.

Person5478 6y ago

and it just "happened to be" done after the short fiasco. Or is your argument that they weren't using dirty words until after the fiasco started? That they can is not being argued, that they did it now is the issue. In the same vein, no one would argue that a male manager shouldn't be able to schedule a female employee on their shifts. But when that male manager asks for a date and is refused, the action takes on an entirely different tone.