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It would only be a fair parable if your coffee shop was the only coffeshop in the entire city or that it exists like 1-3 others but you all talk with eachother
by staticelf 6y ago
It would only be a fair parable if your coffee shop was the only coffeshop in the entire city or that it exists like 1-3 others but you all talk with eachother on the phone and collectively agree to deny those people service.
- onethought 6y agoAnd that still wouldn’t be censorship.
- staticelf 6y agoNo ofc not, but that is a coffeshop and not a place where the business is sharing stuff. If the business is a town square where everyone is and your excluding a specific group that is censorship.
- onethought 6y agoBut it’s more like a country club than a town square. And 100% country clubs kick you out when you say things they don’t like.
- jsilence 6y agoThey are free to run their own Matrix, Mattermost, Rocketchat, IRC, whatever node...
- nix23 6y agoMumble? Teamspeak? It's like everyone forgot the old battle-tested Warhorses.
- ChainOfFools 6y agoI think IRC (which OP mentioned) outranks them all ifor the battle tested warhorse title
- jessaustin 6y agoAs if an IRC channel wouldn't be shut down if it threatened oligopoly profits...
- jsilence 6y agoAll of the big social media networks are corporate property. It is not a public space. So it is their house rules. And rightfully so. If you took their free cookie, choke on it, but don't complain.
- jessaustin 6y agoWow, that's aggressive. All journalists, nearly all politicians, and lots of other people as well communicate largely on social networks owned by these giant amoral artificial creations. What does "public space" even mean anymore? Should we stand on the stroad median with the panhandlers? Would anyone even read our signs? It is possible for citizens to impose conditions on the existence of the corporations their elected government creates.
- staticelf 6y agoExcept when people do create their own shit, like Parler, it immedietly gets shut down as soon as it gets popular.
- Traster 6y agoThere are many coffee shops in the city and there are plenty of social media platforms online (Youtube, Facebook, Tiktok, Reddit, Twitter, Whatsapp, Telegram, Twitch, Pinterest, WeChat, Snapchat). Also, there's really no evidence they're coordinating. If the guys I kick out of my coffee shop walk down the road and start shouting Retard at each other in a different coffee shop they're going to get kicked out of that one too. Not because we're in some big cabal to censor these people, but because actually most people have a fairly similar definition of offensive language, and most coffee shop owners know what's going to drive customers away. At no point does that suddenly turn into censorship.
- staticelf 6y agoI disagree, it is censorship. We all know how hard it is to build a community. To just say go use another platform is really not a fair comparison. Discord and Reddit in this case, even if they're not banned from Reddit yet, is their only means of communicating with eachother. Sure people can create some kind of group / channel on another platform, but if they are banned from one there is no way for them to know where to go. Obviously the group is going to be mostly dispanded when they are banned or removed. I would say this is a kind of censorship. If they would've been given some time, like a week or a month before the banning then I would agree it would not be censorship because then they can assemble somewhere else.